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Thanks for explanations! I'm really curious if it looks like brigading has increased based on what your seeing in the data, or if this looks like roughly the sa

Thanks for explanations! I'm really curious if it looks like brigading has increased based on what your seeing in the data, or if this looks like roughly the same patterns you've seen historically. I assumed that brigading had increased. This is mostly due to seeing things go from unflagged to flagged in the amount of time it took me to read the article. I've been a many-times-a-day reader for about 12 years now, and I hadn't really encountered that until recently. But, after reading about MOTs, those seem like a playable reason too

dang 2y ago
By 'brigading' do you mean people colluding to flag, or people flagging because they don't like the politics of a story, or something else?
- user_7832 2y ago
  I’d be curious to know about the former, I’d imagine the latter is something that happens fairly regularly. I’d imagine (and hope) it’s not really a thing… but I mean it’s not like PaulG himself hasn’t been targeted on Twitter (as he had posted himself) by groups…
  - dang 2y ago
    All I can tell you is that we haven't seen much evidence of it. That could be because more is going on than we know about, or it could be because people are too quick to reach for this explanation. Internet users generally are too quick to reach for sinister/nefarious explanations of phenomena that have mundane/boring reasons, so I lean more towards that interpretation, but I really don't know.
    - user_7832 2y ago
      Thank you, that is understandable, and imo, unsurprising fortunately. I would think HN to be a much smaller/niche community than say reddit or twitter in terms of users/monetisation etc, so there’s likely more efforts to manipulate content there. I have myself seen that on niche subreddits for example where bot activity is very obvious - like a 1 hour old post with more upvotes than the top post of that month. To a lesser extent it’s also visible in probably a hundred different ways on reddit (out of which I know a few, and the r/bothunters sub likely knows many more). Thanks for being a human moderator in the middle of all this!
    - mind-blight 2y ago
      (Replying to your latest comment.) I meant 'colluding to flag' by brigading - same as what the other commenter was interested in. That you haven't seen much evidence of a change is actually really nice to hear and a bit surprising. Since HN has grown in popularity in recent years, I would have expected collusion to show up as a noticeable change in behavior. The motivation and potential reward for brigading seems like it would increase with HN's influence on the tech community. Also, thanks for responding and providing your insights!

dang 2y ago

By 'brigading' do you mean people colluding to flag, or people flagging because they don't like the politics of a story, or something else?

user_7832 2y ago
I’d be curious to know about the former, I’d imagine the latter is something that happens fairly regularly. I’d imagine (and hope) it’s not really a thing… but I mean it’s not like PaulG himself hasn’t been targeted on Twitter (as he had posted himself) by groups…
- dang 2y ago
  All I can tell you is that we haven't seen much evidence of it. That could be because more is going on than we know about, or it could be because people are too quick to reach for this explanation. Internet users generally are too quick to reach for sinister/nefarious explanations of phenomena that have mundane/boring reasons, so I lean more towards that interpretation, but I really don't know.
  - user_7832 2y ago
    Thank you, that is understandable, and imo, unsurprising fortunately. I would think HN to be a much smaller/niche community than say reddit or twitter in terms of users/monetisation etc, so there’s likely more efforts to manipulate content there. I have myself seen that on niche subreddits for example where bot activity is very obvious - like a 1 hour old post with more upvotes than the top post of that month. To a lesser extent it’s also visible in probably a hundred different ways on reddit (out of which I know a few, and the r/bothunters sub likely knows many more). Thanks for being a human moderator in the middle of all this!
  - mind-blight 2y ago
    (Replying to your latest comment.) I meant 'colluding to flag' by brigading - same as what the other commenter was interested in. That you haven't seen much evidence of a change is actually really nice to hear and a bit surprising. Since HN has grown in popularity in recent years, I would have expected collusion to show up as a noticeable change in behavior. The motivation and potential reward for brigading seems like it would increase with HN's influence on the tech community. Also, thanks for responding and providing your insights!