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All the communists, early or late, have been just liars who have used an obfuscated language, where all important words have meant other things than what the Co
by adrian_b 2y ago
All the communists, early or late, have been just liars who have used an obfuscated language, where all important words have meant other things than what the Communists claimed.
One cannot judge what Communism is by interpreting literally any text written by a Communist, because all such texts have been just propaganda designed to fool the weaker minds. In order to understand Communism, one must examine what Communists have done, not what they have said. By comparing facts with words, one can deduce the meanings of the Communist words.
Whoever is not aware about the differences between the Communist language and the traditional language, does not understand what Communism is. I was born and I have grown in a country occupied by Communist invaders, so I know very well what Communism really is, and it has no relationship with atheism, in the traditional sense of the word.
No Communist has ever been atheist, despite their claims, with the possible exception of Karl Marx, who might have been sincere in what he has written. However any later Communist has used the books of Karl Marx only as a propagandistic tool, without caring about whether Karl Marx believed anything of what he has said.
Communism is indistinguishable from a monotheistic religion and almost every Communist word and every Communist institution has an exact equivalence in Christian words and institutions.
The fact that the Communists have persecuted or killed the priests or the believers belonging to other churches has nothing to do with their claimed atheism, but it has the same nature as the fights between Protestants and Catholics.
One can consider Communism as the worst Christian sect, which has done things identical with other past religious excesses, but at a much greater scale.
Associating communists with atheists is a huge confusion (which was the purpose of the obfuscated Communist language).
- robertlagrant 2y agoThis seems more like an insistence on equating bad things with Christianity. If you take them at their word, Communists were anti-Christian and worked to eradicate Christianity. Yes they believed in something else, but that thing was maybe the state, or the cause of their class.
- adrian_b 2y agoMost Christian variants have worked to eradicate all the other Christian variants. Communists have just acted vs. Christians in the same way as Christians vs. different kinds of Christians, and for the same reasons, i.e. in order to suppress anyone who swears allegiance to different authorities. When discussing communists you cannot "take them at their word", because Communists have always used a special language where a very large number of words have very different meanings than their traditional meanings, for propagandistic purposes. Moreover, even when some phrases should mean the same thing as in normal language, it is more likely than not that they are just lies. Reading any ancient publication from the former communists states requires experience with communist propaganda to understand which sentences are true and which are false.
- robertlagrant 2y agoThis does seem like some large category errors, though. Humans have tried to eradicate other human groups. The Romans fed Christians to the lions; does that make the Romans basically Christians as well? Or the Skeleton Army[0] in 19th Century Britain? Did they turn out to be Christians as well? As I say, you're just forcing one thing, when all sorts of people have tried to kill Christians through the ages. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Army