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We live in such a moronic time that I believe the reason that we are dropping the post-WWII Rules Based Order, is that it is also called the "Liberal" Internati

We live in such a moronic time that I believe the reason that we are dropping the post-WWII Rules Based Order, is that it is also called the "Liberal" International Order. [0] Watching a historic empire destroy itself is beyond words. I will miss Pax Americana. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_international_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_international_order

rayiner 2y ago
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- consumer451 2y ago
  The fact that people who by all appearances are intelligent human beings, could post things like this... Nero plays his cithara. I am at a loss for words. I guess the real problem with propaganda is getting high on your own supply. edit: As an example, the Supreme Court overturning Chevron deference was a decision against un-elected officials making government calls, instead of the law makers, aka Congress. Now, just months later, here we are. The exact opposite is happening. The most un-elected, un-appointed person in US government history is holding the purse strings, and not a chirp. While Musk's cithara gently weeps.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    You should read some books on history and foreign affairs. Most of the world hates the “liberal international order” because it’s an excuse for the U.S. to impose its values on the rest of the world. DOGE revealed that USAID was funding political unrest in my home country (where activists recently overthrew the government). The U.S. has finally turned a corner on it only because the deep staters started turning that same attitude inward, pointing it at Ohio instead of India. Death of liberal internationalism isn’t something anyone should mourn. There’s no inconsistency between Loper Bright and DOGE. Both reflect separation of powers. The judiciary interprets the law, not the executive branch. But the executive branch—which consists of the President and his agents—decides how to make discretionary spending decisions and hiring and firing of federal employees. Everyone is staying in their lane. (You’re incorrect that DOGE is “holding the purse strings.” Congress has passed appropriations bills that delegate massive discretionary authority to the executive. DOGE, under Trump’s directions, is countermanding spending decisions made by executive civil servants, not Congress.)
    - consumer451 2y ago
      > DOGE revealed that USAID was funding political unrest in my home country (where activists recently overthrew the government) Let's just focus on this part for a moment. Could you please share this evidence?
      - rayiner 2y ago
        For context, you should read about how USAID historically has acted to interfere in the politics of other counties: https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/03/cuban-twitter-and-other-times-usaid-pretended-to-be-an-intelligence-agency https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/03/cuban-twitter-and-other...; https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/15/when-is-foreign-aid-meddling/secret-programs-hurt-foreign-aid-efforts https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/15/when-is-for...; https://www.jstor.org/stable/4017728 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4017728 As to Bangladesh specifically: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/usaid-bypassed-govt-channels-to-fund-29-million-political-project-bangladesh-official/articleshow/118545702.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/usaid-b...; https://www.tbsnews.net/bangladesh/29m-usaid-fund-went-bangladesh-firm-only-2-people-trump-1074911 https://www.tbsnews.net/bangladesh/29m-usaid-fund-went-bangl... There is no such thing as funding to “strengthen democracy” or whatever euphemisms USAID uses. It’s election interference directed against whatever administration is currently in power in a foreign country.
        dashundchen 2y ago
        Neither of your articles have any proof or evidence the $20 million funds to Bangladesh are real. It's just what Trump claimed off the cuff. Trump is a known liar. It's why his supporters are always telling other people not take him literally They lied about $50 million for condoms in Gaza, just like he lied about Haitian immigrants eating pets and the dozens of other lies he spews out daily. DOGE has posted a ton of lies about what they saved and cut, including contracts that were already canceled or completed, and including amounts orders of magnitude off.
        2y ago
- jhbadger 2y ago
  China (who has no idea who Wilson was) has the Belt and Road Initiative, and they'll gladly win the hearts and minds of third world nations the US is foolish enough to abandon.

rayiner 2y ago

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consumer451 2y ago
The fact that people who by all appearances are intelligent human beings, could post things like this... Nero plays his cithara. I am at a loss for words. I guess the real problem with propaganda is getting high on your own supply. edit: As an example, the Supreme Court overturning Chevron deference was a decision against un-elected officials making government calls, instead of the law makers, aka Congress. Now, just months later, here we are. The exact opposite is happening. The most un-elected, un-appointed person in US government history is holding the purse strings, and not a chirp. While Musk's cithara gently weeps.
- rayiner 2y ago
  You should read some books on history and foreign affairs. Most of the world hates the “liberal international order” because it’s an excuse for the U.S. to impose its values on the rest of the world. DOGE revealed that USAID was funding political unrest in my home country (where activists recently overthrew the government). The U.S. has finally turned a corner on it only because the deep staters started turning that same attitude inward, pointing it at Ohio instead of India. Death of liberal internationalism isn’t something anyone should mourn. There’s no inconsistency between Loper Bright and DOGE. Both reflect separation of powers. The judiciary interprets the law, not the executive branch. But the executive branch—which consists of the President and his agents—decides how to make discretionary spending decisions and hiring and firing of federal employees. Everyone is staying in their lane. (You’re incorrect that DOGE is “holding the purse strings.” Congress has passed appropriations bills that delegate massive discretionary authority to the executive. DOGE, under Trump’s directions, is countermanding spending decisions made by executive civil servants, not Congress.)
  - consumer451 2y ago
    > DOGE revealed that USAID was funding political unrest in my home country (where activists recently overthrew the government) Let's just focus on this part for a moment. Could you please share this evidence?
    - rayiner 2y ago
      For context, you should read about how USAID historically has acted to interfere in the politics of other counties: https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/03/cuban-twitter-and-other-times-usaid-pretended-to-be-an-intelligence-agency https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/03/cuban-twitter-and-other...; https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/15/when-is-foreign-aid-meddling/secret-programs-hurt-foreign-aid-efforts https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/15/when-is-for...; https://www.jstor.org/stable/4017728 https://www.jstor.org/stable/4017728 As to Bangladesh specifically: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/usaid-bypassed-govt-channels-to-fund-29-million-political-project-bangladesh-official/articleshow/118545702.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/usaid-b...; https://www.tbsnews.net/bangladesh/29m-usaid-fund-went-bangladesh-firm-only-2-people-trump-1074911 https://www.tbsnews.net/bangladesh/29m-usaid-fund-went-bangl... There is no such thing as funding to “strengthen democracy” or whatever euphemisms USAID uses. It’s election interference directed against whatever administration is currently in power in a foreign country.
      - dashundchen 2y ago
        Neither of your articles have any proof or evidence the $20 million funds to Bangladesh are real. It's just what Trump claimed off the cuff. Trump is a known liar. It's why his supporters are always telling other people not take him literally They lied about $50 million for condoms in Gaza, just like he lied about Haitian immigrants eating pets and the dozens of other lies he spews out daily. DOGE has posted a ton of lies about what they saved and cut, including contracts that were already canceled or completed, and including amounts orders of magnitude off.
        2y ago
jhbadger 2y ago
China (who has no idea who Wilson was) has the Belt and Road Initiative, and they'll gladly win the hearts and minds of third world nations the US is foolish enough to abandon.