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Except that the states have no power because an unchecked executive branch can just claim that it had authority and the states have no recourse to resist. The

Except that the states have no power because an unchecked executive branch can just claim that it had authority and the states have no recourse to resist. The US has an incredibly weak form of government.

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cyberax 2y ago
Don't get so depressed. The Executive branch in the US does not have a lot of power when it comes to influencing the states. For example, Trump can't actually force states to change their school athlete programs. It doesn't have any power over individual states (or schools). All his DoE can do, is to threaten to withhold funding. And even that is being contested because the Congress has not authorized it. However, if he does manage to withdraw the funding, that's just 6% of total spending on schools in CA ( https://lao.ca.gov/Education/EdBudget/Details/900 https://lao.ca.gov/Education/EdBudget/Details/900 ) and 8% in NY. The states will just shrug and go on. The discretionary part of the US Federal budget is not large, on the scale of the country.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  Congress has authorized it: civil rights laws make schools ineligible when violated, and Trump is claiming various programs violate those.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    And this is going to be contested through the courts for many years.
- Braxton1980 2y ago
  Are states exactly flush with cash to plug even small gaps in school budgets? You mentioned CA which is rebuilding from massive fires, can they afford that? What about Arizona, 2021 to 2022 19% of their schools budget was federal funding. What happens if there is a natural disaster, Trump can withhold funds to force changes. Can a state turn down that level of assistance? They would have to prioritize recovery I assume and just accept the change. >Don't get so depressed. The Executive branch in the US does not have a lot of power when it comes to influencing the states. Money is power
  - cyberax 2y ago
    > You mentioned CA which is rebuilding from massive fires, can they afford that? Yes. > What about Arizona, 2021 to 2022 19% of their schools budget was federal funding. They are an outlier, but mostly because they spend so little: https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statisti... > What happens if there is a natural disaster, Trump can withhold funds to force changes. Can a state turn down that level of assistance? They would have to prioritize recovery I assume and just accept the change. But many sides can play this game once the can of worms is open. The thing is, then the next Democratic president (or a Democratic House/Senate) happens and yet another hurricane flattens a part of Florida. What do you think the Florida delegation in the Congress will do when faced with a prospect of not getting help? > Money is power Indeed. And the Blue States have way more money than most of the Red states.
    - Braxton1980 2y ago
      > yes Can you explain why you think this? The financial outlook isn't good, not terrible but still. "No Capacity for New Commitments State Faces Annual Multiyear Deficits of Around $20b" [1] >Indeed. And the Blue States have way more money than most of the Red states. Based on what? Note that GDP doesn't represent available funds to state governments >But many sides can play this game once the can of worms is open Trump has already threatened this to California. Two days ago Newsom asked congress for $20b and .. "Ric Grenell, a Trump ally serving as his envoy for special missions, said Friday that “there will be conditions” to any federal aid for the state. He said one of the possible conditions being discussed was defunding the California Coastal Commission, which regulates coastal development and protects public beach access. Trump has criticized the agency as overly restrictive, bureaucratic and a hindrance to timely rebuilding efforts." >What do you think the Florida delegation in the Congress will do when faced with a prospect of not getting help? Why would you assume the Democrats would do that? [1] https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4939#:~:text=The%20state%20has%20faced%20significant,early%20action%20taken%20this%20year). https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4939#:~:text=The%20st...
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cyberax 2y ago

Don't get so depressed. The Executive branch in the US does not have a lot of power when it comes to influencing the states. For example, Trump can't actually force states to change their school athlete programs. It doesn't have any power over individual states (or schools). All his DoE can do, is to threaten to withhold funding. And even that is being contested because the Congress has not authorized it. However, if he does manage to withdraw the funding, that's just 6% of total spending on schools in CA ( https://lao.ca.gov/Education/EdBudget/Details/900 https://lao.ca.gov/Education/EdBudget/Details/900 ) and 8% in NY. The states will just shrug and go on. The discretionary part of the US Federal budget is not large, on the scale of the country.

zmgsabst 2y ago
Congress has authorized it: civil rights laws make schools ineligible when violated, and Trump is claiming various programs violate those.
- cyberax 2y ago
  And this is going to be contested through the courts for many years.
Braxton1980 2y ago
Are states exactly flush with cash to plug even small gaps in school budgets? You mentioned CA which is rebuilding from massive fires, can they afford that? What about Arizona, 2021 to 2022 19% of their schools budget was federal funding. What happens if there is a natural disaster, Trump can withhold funds to force changes. Can a state turn down that level of assistance? They would have to prioritize recovery I assume and just accept the change. >Don't get so depressed. The Executive branch in the US does not have a lot of power when it comes to influencing the states. Money is power
- cyberax 2y ago
  > You mentioned CA which is rebuilding from massive fires, can they afford that? Yes. > What about Arizona, 2021 to 2022 19% of their schools budget was federal funding. They are an outlier, but mostly because they spend so little: https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statisti... > What happens if there is a natural disaster, Trump can withhold funds to force changes. Can a state turn down that level of assistance? They would have to prioritize recovery I assume and just accept the change. But many sides can play this game once the can of worms is open. The thing is, then the next Democratic president (or a Democratic House/Senate) happens and yet another hurricane flattens a part of Florida. What do you think the Florida delegation in the Congress will do when faced with a prospect of not getting help? > Money is power Indeed. And the Blue States have way more money than most of the Red states.
  - Braxton1980 2y ago
    > yes Can you explain why you think this? The financial outlook isn't good, not terrible but still. "No Capacity for New Commitments State Faces Annual Multiyear Deficits of Around $20b" [1] >Indeed. And the Blue States have way more money than most of the Red states. Based on what? Note that GDP doesn't represent available funds to state governments >But many sides can play this game once the can of worms is open Trump has already threatened this to California. Two days ago Newsom asked congress for $20b and .. "Ric Grenell, a Trump ally serving as his envoy for special missions, said Friday that “there will be conditions” to any federal aid for the state. He said one of the possible conditions being discussed was defunding the California Coastal Commission, which regulates coastal development and protects public beach access. Trump has criticized the agency as overly restrictive, bureaucratic and a hindrance to timely rebuilding efforts." >What do you think the Florida delegation in the Congress will do when faced with a prospect of not getting help? Why would you assume the Democrats would do that? [1] https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4939#:~:text=The%20state%20has%20faced%20significant,early%20action%20taken%20this%20year). https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4939#:~:text=The%20st...
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