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This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd, not high throughput photography (events, sports, documentary) or product. Also, 4300 raw files should be enoug

by pbalau 2y ago

This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd, not high throughput photography (events, sports, documentary) or product. Also, 4300 raw files should be enough for quite a long holiday/many street photography sessions.

rodgerd 2y ago
> This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd, No-one who shoots M-mount at this point is giving up their rangefinder for an LCD-only camera with no viewfinder.
UltraSane 2y ago
at $1,999 I don't see it selling very well.
- ulfw 2y ago
  $1,999 without lens. Put a simple 35 f2 on it and pay tax and you're above $3000 for a 24MP shooter.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    With no hot shoe for a flash.
  - gwill 2y ago
    also a 24mp FF sensor in 2024. is this supposed to be targeting lowlight photography?
- pbalau 2y ago
  > This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd Those people won't have issues paying that amount.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    For no lens and no hot shoe? I really don't understand the appeal.
  - gwill 2y ago
    I think those folks would rather buy a Leica/Ricoh. what does this offer? worse glass, sensor, controls. I really don't get this camera.
    - tern 2y ago
      If the autofocus is reliable, it will sit perfectly between the Ricoh GR III and the Leica Q3, which could be the right mix for some people GR III = ultra-compact, fixed focal length, $1000, poor autofocus Sigma BF = compact, interchangeable lens, $2000 + lenses, ??? autofocus Leica Q3 = compact, fixed focal length, $6000, reliable autofocus These cameras are loved by street photographers, casual landscape photographers, documentary / environmental portrait photographers, and there's a significant Japanese lifestyle photography scene ... I often wonder if Sigma has this market in mind, which is not so visible if you're not in Japan or don't know where to look on Instagram (dig into the #sigmafp / #sigmafpl tag and look for washed out / blue-tinted photos of flowers/nature, for instance). The major downside is no stabilization, which will severely limit the shooting envelope compared to these other cameras. I shot with a Sigma FP for awhile and the combination of poor autofocus, no stabilization, no viewfinder, and it still being heavy compared to, say, a Fujifilm camera, made for a very limiting experience. This will, however, be a user-experience upgrade for people who are happy with FP (which, honestly, I still miss sometimes).
    - rodgerd 2y ago
      "Worse glass" is a religious position if we're talking about Sigma glass. Especially considering how likely it is that any given name-brand lens is actually a Sigma design, or a Sigma design and build.
      - gwill 2y ago
        that's fair. i was whack. one of my favorite lenses is a Sigma, i was just comparing to Leica and let some bias slip in.
lastofthemojito 2y ago
> This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd Maybe kinda? As a Leica owner myself, honestly I like my traditional controls and wouldn't trade my camera for the Sigma BF. This feels more like the Tesla Roadster, which I guess some would say is meant to appeal to sports car fans, but I think honestly tries to create a new market. The old-school sports car guys who enjoy revving an engine and shifting gears aren't really the market for a Tesla Roader, it's a new generation of people who are enthusiastic about electric cars. I think this is trying to do something similar - creating a new market for well-off Gen Zers whose parents didn't even expose them to traditional cameras growing up, just smartphones. People for whom those cryptic old control knobs hold no appeal. "Here's a powerful camera with a much better sensor and lens than your phone, but you don't need to be a camera nerd" is more what I imagine the pitch to be.
- hackingonempty 2y ago
  There are two kinds of Leica owners: photography nerds and people that buy the best of everything and want the best point-and-shoot you can get. Leica makes the M series for the former and the Q for the latter. This product competes with the Q and iPhone, not cameras for pros and wannabes.

by pbalau 2y ago

rodgerd 2y ago

> This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd, No-one who shoots M-mount at this point is giving up their rangefinder for an LCD-only camera with no viewfinder.

UltraSane 2y ago

at $1,999 I don't see it selling very well.

ulfw 2y ago
$1,999 without lens. Put a simple 35 f2 on it and pay tax and you're above $3000 for a 24MP shooter.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  With no hot shoe for a flash.
- gwill 2y ago
  also a 24mp FF sensor in 2024. is this supposed to be targeting lowlight photography?
pbalau 2y ago
> This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd Those people won't have issues paying that amount.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  For no lens and no hot shoe? I really don't understand the appeal.
- gwill 2y ago
  I think those folks would rather buy a Leica/Ricoh. what does this offer? worse glass, sensor, controls. I really don't get this camera.
  - tern 2y ago
    If the autofocus is reliable, it will sit perfectly between the Ricoh GR III and the Leica Q3, which could be the right mix for some people GR III = ultra-compact, fixed focal length, $1000, poor autofocus Sigma BF = compact, interchangeable lens, $2000 + lenses, ??? autofocus Leica Q3 = compact, fixed focal length, $6000, reliable autofocus These cameras are loved by street photographers, casual landscape photographers, documentary / environmental portrait photographers, and there's a significant Japanese lifestyle photography scene ... I often wonder if Sigma has this market in mind, which is not so visible if you're not in Japan or don't know where to look on Instagram (dig into the #sigmafp / #sigmafpl tag and look for washed out / blue-tinted photos of flowers/nature, for instance). The major downside is no stabilization, which will severely limit the shooting envelope compared to these other cameras. I shot with a Sigma FP for awhile and the combination of poor autofocus, no stabilization, no viewfinder, and it still being heavy compared to, say, a Fujifilm camera, made for a very limiting experience. This will, however, be a user-experience upgrade for people who are happy with FP (which, honestly, I still miss sometimes).
  - rodgerd 2y ago
    "Worse glass" is a religious position if we're talking about Sigma glass. Especially considering how likely it is that any given name-brand lens is actually a Sigma design, or a Sigma design and build.
    - gwill 2y ago
      that's fair. i was whack. one of my favorite lenses is a Sigma, i was just comparing to Leica and let some bias slip in.

lastofthemojito 2y ago

> This is obviously aimed at the Leica/Ricoh crowd Maybe kinda? As a Leica owner myself, honestly I like my traditional controls and wouldn't trade my camera for the Sigma BF. This feels more like the Tesla Roadster, which I guess some would say is meant to appeal to sports car fans, but I think honestly tries to create a new market. The old-school sports car guys who enjoy revving an engine and shifting gears aren't really the market for a Tesla Roader, it's a new generation of people who are enthusiastic about electric cars. I think this is trying to do something similar - creating a new market for well-off Gen Zers whose parents didn't even expose them to traditional cameras growing up, just smartphones. People for whom those cryptic old control knobs hold no appeal. "Here's a powerful camera with a much better sensor and lens than your phone, but you don't need to be a camera nerd" is more what I imagine the pitch to be.

hackingonempty 2y ago
There are two kinds of Leica owners: photography nerds and people that buy the best of everything and want the best point-and-shoot you can get. Leica makes the M series for the former and the Q for the latter. This product competes with the Q and iPhone, not cameras for pros and wannabes.