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Microsoft is a master class in becoming so big you don't need compelling products anymore. You are in their ecosystem, you will use their products. It took th

Microsoft is a master class in becoming so big you don't need compelling products anymore. You are in their ecosystem, you will use their products. It took them 12 years to make Teams almost as good as Slack. Azure only has made it this far because its Microsoft, so many of their roll outs have been terrible (looking at you AKS, Cosmos DB). Copilot is used at my wifes company because they get it for free, and it seriously seems like its ChatGPT 3.5 still

Spivak 2y ago
> almost as good as Slack I'm sorry, what?! I will grant you almost as good as Zoom but Teams' actual chat functionality is awful. I can't fathom why they didn't just clone Slack for their chat UX, it would have been less effort and better.
fergie 2y ago
To be fair, they did somehow manage to take over javascript while nobody was looking.
- ripped_britches 2y ago
  Do you mean the non-product people that designed and wrote typescript?
  - jonny_eh 2y ago
    Exactly, and they did it while no one at Microsoft was looking at them.
    - thanksgiving 2y ago
      That's not what I see from the outside Everytime versioning comes up. My understanding is Microsoft marketing has full control over what constitutes a major / minor version bump like when typescript 4 is released vs typescript 3.9 (just an example). The people who build typescript don't even control their own version numbers.
      - setr 2y ago
        According to this https://www.learningtypescript.com/articles/why-typescript-doesnt-follow-strict-semantic-versioning https://www.learningtypescript.com/articles/why-typescript-d... The versioning logic is fairly simple (although kind of pointless afaict?). X.1 —> X.9, and instead of going to .10 it simply increments major number. With average releases every 3 months, then major versions are simply being bumped roughly every 30 months. I think functionally it’s just a really awkward date-versioning on a 30 month calendar instead of 12
        int_19h 2y ago
        It's an old school versioning system that was very popular for DOS software. I'm not surprised that TypeScript, being ultimately still an Anders Hejlsberg project, would adopt it.
rswail 2y ago
.NET is a compelling product, cross platform, open source, well supported, good tooling.
- alternatex 2y ago
  .NET is not a good representation of Microsoft. It is a uniquely developer centered product (from devs by devs) that is of higher quality than almost everything else they produce.

Spivak 2y ago

> almost as good as Slack I'm sorry, what?! I will grant you almost as good as Zoom but Teams' actual chat functionality is awful. I can't fathom why they didn't just clone Slack for their chat UX, it would have been less effort and better.

fergie 2y ago

To be fair, they did somehow manage to take over javascript while nobody was looking.

ripped_britches 2y ago
Do you mean the non-product people that designed and wrote typescript?
- jonny_eh 2y ago
  Exactly, and they did it while no one at Microsoft was looking at them.
  - thanksgiving 2y ago
    That's not what I see from the outside Everytime versioning comes up. My understanding is Microsoft marketing has full control over what constitutes a major / minor version bump like when typescript 4 is released vs typescript 3.9 (just an example). The people who build typescript don't even control their own version numbers.
    - setr 2y ago
      According to this https://www.learningtypescript.com/articles/why-typescript-doesnt-follow-strict-semantic-versioning https://www.learningtypescript.com/articles/why-typescript-d... The versioning logic is fairly simple (although kind of pointless afaict?). X.1 —> X.9, and instead of going to .10 it simply increments major number. With average releases every 3 months, then major versions are simply being bumped roughly every 30 months. I think functionally it’s just a really awkward date-versioning on a 30 month calendar instead of 12
      - int_19h 2y ago
        It's an old school versioning system that was very popular for DOS software. I'm not surprised that TypeScript, being ultimately still an Anders Hejlsberg project, would adopt it.

rswail 2y ago

.NET is a compelling product, cross platform, open source, well supported, good tooling.

alternatex 2y ago
.NET is not a good representation of Microsoft. It is a uniquely developer centered product (from devs by devs) that is of higher quality than almost everything else they produce.