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>Apple level of polish. Absurd claim given the untenable OS release cadence under Tim Cook. "But better than M$" is still undeserving of the lofty implication

>Apple level of polish. Absurd claim given the untenable OS release cadence under Tim Cook. "But better than M$" is still undeserving of the lofty implication from "level of polish".

zombiwoof 2y ago
You mean Tim “Apple intelligence” Cook Ha ha
anon7000 2y ago
I’ve used windows and macOS side by side for over a decade, and macOS BY FAR has a greater level of polish than windows, which to this day is relatively unstable. I haven’t had myself or a relative experience an OS-level crash in macOS in like five years years. Meanwhile, troubleshooting a family member’s BSOD is a regular occurrence.
- sayamqazi 2y ago
  > Apple level of polish - I can't tell if my macbook is charging or not while the lid is closed. There is no light indicator - minimize/maximize buttons are very small given that I am using a the touchpad. I am not saying they are unsuably small but far from ideal. - If I fully deplete the battery. I cannot immediatly turn it on with adapter's power. Why? Every windows laptop can be run with adapter even with a dead battery. > BSOD is a regular occurrence I hate windows as much as the next guy, but are you really getting BSOD in 2025? I like linux and I know its not exactly polished but it offers something as a trade off which neither MacOS nor Windows do.
  - jonny_eh 2y ago
    > There is no light indicator Counter point: Light indicators are ugly and usually unnecessary. Most people charge overnight, and don't want/need a light in their face.
    - traceroute66 2y ago
      > Counter point: Light indicators are ugly and usually unnecessary And if you really must have an ugly and un-necessary light indicator, Apple have an answer for that.... Do not charge off USB-C, instead buy an Apple magsafe charger. That comes with a little indicator light on the end of the cord. Alternatively, if you are charging off USB-C all you have to do on a powered mac is to look at the battery indicator in the menu bar.
  - traceroute66 2y ago
    > If I fully deplete the battery. I cannot immediatly turn it on with adapter's power. Why? Every windows laptop can be run with adapter even with a dead battery. First you should not be depleting modern batteries, its not good for the battery health, or indeed storage health, recall that solid-state storage integrity is not guaranteed in the absence of electrical current (a reminder to those who have a habit of backing up stuff onto SSDs, unplugging them and forgetting about them for extended time periods). Second, if you think about it, its a safety feature in to protect you from data corruption. If they let you turn on a machine with a fully-depleted battery and you immediately yank out the power cord, then you risk data corruption. Sure, modern solid-state storage (at least the high quality implementations) have power-loss-protection. But that relies on capacitors. And to charge up capacitors, you need what ... oh yeah, that's right, electricity .... ;-) So that is most likely why Apple require you to have a minimal charge before allowing you to power-on from completely depleted. And to be honest, what are you bitching about anyway. Most Apple devices I use only require a 5–10 minute charge from completely depleted to get you to the minimum required. So just go make a cup of coffee and remind yourself not to completely deplete batteries in the future.
    - cozzyd 2y ago
      I'm sure people running out of batteries in the middle of a zoom call or a presentation especially enjoy waiting an additional 5-10 minutes before being able to continue.
      - traceroute66 2y ago
        > people running out of batteries in the middle of a zoom call or a presentation I would remind those sorts of people of the 5 P's ... Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance Starting a zoom or presentation on low battery is just a fucking stupid thing to do. There's no other way to put it.
        int_19h 2y ago
        It doesn't matter how stupid it is, the OS shouldn't make it any worse even so.
kavalg 2y ago
Not saying Apple is great but for me MS UX has been an utter crap, both in managed corp env and on a personal device.

>Apple level of polish. Absurd claim given the untenable OS release cadence under Tim Cook. "But better than M$" is still undeserving of the lofty implication from "level of polish".

zombiwoof 2y ago

You mean Tim “Apple intelligence” Cook Ha ha

anon7000 2y ago

I’ve used windows and macOS side by side for over a decade, and macOS BY FAR has a greater level of polish than windows, which to this day is relatively unstable. I haven’t had myself or a relative experience an OS-level crash in macOS in like five years years. Meanwhile, troubleshooting a family member’s BSOD is a regular occurrence.

sayamqazi 2y ago
> Apple level of polish - I can't tell if my macbook is charging or not while the lid is closed. There is no light indicator - minimize/maximize buttons are very small given that I am using a the touchpad. I am not saying they are unsuably small but far from ideal. - If I fully deplete the battery. I cannot immediatly turn it on with adapter's power. Why? Every windows laptop can be run with adapter even with a dead battery. > BSOD is a regular occurrence I hate windows as much as the next guy, but are you really getting BSOD in 2025? I like linux and I know its not exactly polished but it offers something as a trade off which neither MacOS nor Windows do.
- jonny_eh 2y ago
  > There is no light indicator Counter point: Light indicators are ugly and usually unnecessary. Most people charge overnight, and don't want/need a light in their face.
  - traceroute66 2y ago
    > Counter point: Light indicators are ugly and usually unnecessary And if you really must have an ugly and un-necessary light indicator, Apple have an answer for that.... Do not charge off USB-C, instead buy an Apple magsafe charger. That comes with a little indicator light on the end of the cord. Alternatively, if you are charging off USB-C all you have to do on a powered mac is to look at the battery indicator in the menu bar.
- traceroute66 2y ago
  > If I fully deplete the battery. I cannot immediatly turn it on with adapter's power. Why? Every windows laptop can be run with adapter even with a dead battery. First you should not be depleting modern batteries, its not good for the battery health, or indeed storage health, recall that solid-state storage integrity is not guaranteed in the absence of electrical current (a reminder to those who have a habit of backing up stuff onto SSDs, unplugging them and forgetting about them for extended time periods). Second, if you think about it, its a safety feature in to protect you from data corruption. If they let you turn on a machine with a fully-depleted battery and you immediately yank out the power cord, then you risk data corruption. Sure, modern solid-state storage (at least the high quality implementations) have power-loss-protection. But that relies on capacitors. And to charge up capacitors, you need what ... oh yeah, that's right, electricity .... ;-) So that is most likely why Apple require you to have a minimal charge before allowing you to power-on from completely depleted. And to be honest, what are you bitching about anyway. Most Apple devices I use only require a 5–10 minute charge from completely depleted to get you to the minimum required. So just go make a cup of coffee and remind yourself not to completely deplete batteries in the future.
  - cozzyd 2y ago
    I'm sure people running out of batteries in the middle of a zoom call or a presentation especially enjoy waiting an additional 5-10 minutes before being able to continue.
    - traceroute66 2y ago
      > people running out of batteries in the middle of a zoom call or a presentation I would remind those sorts of people of the 5 P's ... Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance Starting a zoom or presentation on low battery is just a fucking stupid thing to do. There's no other way to put it.
      - int_19h 2y ago
        It doesn't matter how stupid it is, the OS shouldn't make it any worse even so.

kavalg 2y ago

Not saying Apple is great but for me MS UX has been an utter crap, both in managed corp env and on a personal device.