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You don't believe that, or you would have moved to be out from under this ultimate tyranny. Somalia, perhaps. Your argument is the classic Randist Libertarian

by dsr_ 2y ago

You don't believe that, or you would have moved to be out from under this ultimate tyranny. Somalia, perhaps. Your argument is the classic Randist Libertarian one: "There is no such thing as society, everything I did I earned myself with no reference to anyone." It is, of course, complete and utter garbage. Government spending is the only known way of constructing projects that are not attractive money-makers: rural electrification, communications systems, roads, water treatment, education. In order to keep currency flowing, governments remove it from circulation via taxation.

sneak 2y ago
This violates consent, though. Consent matters, regardless of how much handwaving occurs after people choose to violate it. The other such places you describe also violate consent. Same criminal acts: coercion by violence. I do indeed believe in the things I have said, and I have indeed emigrated from the United States for many such reasons, principally among them my objection to being forced to fund neverending war. Unfortunately the US Government still taxes me remotely.
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  You can renounce your US citizenship and thus avoid the burden of US taxation.
  - daveguy 2y ago
    Yes, please do this GP. Renounce your citizenship and be free of the big bad taxes. Most of us prefer infrastructure and long term public research.
- condorwhilhem 2y ago
  Eh, consent is a little nebulous in this context. Sure in interpersonal relationships, consent is important. But on a societal scale there are plenty of ways in which consent is violated. I don't consent to breathing toxic fumes from other people's cars. Should we make cars illegal? I don't consent to having to wear clothes all the time, is it unethical that I have to wear clothes? Also, the money they are taking is produced by and guaranteed by the US government. Is it really "your" money? Without the US government that money is worthless.
- hayst4ck 2y ago
  The tragedy of the commons... Telling any particular fisherman not to fish the fish to extinction also violates their consent. Coercion is necessary for governance and you wouldn't want to live in a world without it. The Thief who steals money with a knife doesn't consent to jail time. If the government doesn't levy taxes to pay for policing, then there is no way to punish the theif for violation of the victims consent. Your unthought out opinion is a position of privilege, not one of reason or sanity. That doesn't even broach the topic of a child being born into poverty or slavery. Without a military force, funded by taxes, to defend against neighboring slavers your notion of consent doesn't matter in the first place. That's the fundamental contradiction of anarchy.

by dsr_ 2y ago

sneak 2y ago

This violates consent, though. Consent matters, regardless of how much handwaving occurs after people choose to violate it. The other such places you describe also violate consent. Same criminal acts: coercion by violence. I do indeed believe in the things I have said, and I have indeed emigrated from the United States for many such reasons, principally among them my objection to being forced to fund neverending war. Unfortunately the US Government still taxes me remotely.

warkdarrior 2y ago
You can renounce your US citizenship and thus avoid the burden of US taxation.
- daveguy 2y ago
  Yes, please do this GP. Renounce your citizenship and be free of the big bad taxes. Most of us prefer infrastructure and long term public research.
condorwhilhem 2y ago
Eh, consent is a little nebulous in this context. Sure in interpersonal relationships, consent is important. But on a societal scale there are plenty of ways in which consent is violated. I don't consent to breathing toxic fumes from other people's cars. Should we make cars illegal? I don't consent to having to wear clothes all the time, is it unethical that I have to wear clothes? Also, the money they are taking is produced by and guaranteed by the US government. Is it really "your" money? Without the US government that money is worthless.
hayst4ck 2y ago
The tragedy of the commons... Telling any particular fisherman not to fish the fish to extinction also violates their consent. Coercion is necessary for governance and you wouldn't want to live in a world without it. The Thief who steals money with a knife doesn't consent to jail time. If the government doesn't levy taxes to pay for policing, then there is no way to punish the theif for violation of the victims consent. Your unthought out opinion is a position of privilege, not one of reason or sanity. That doesn't even broach the topic of a child being born into poverty or slavery. Without a military force, funded by taxes, to defend against neighboring slavers your notion of consent doesn't matter in the first place. That's the fundamental contradiction of anarchy.