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If you require taxpayers to consent to every single line item, voting is going to become rather cumbersome.

by arrobbiato 2y ago

sneak 2y ago
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- digitaltrees 2y ago
  You can migrate and renounce citizenship. Staying and benefiting from the spending is tacit consent no?
  - sneak 2y ago
    There is no such thing as tacit consent.
    - acdha 2y ago
      The fact that there’s a term for it which we all know suggests otherwise. It’s literally in textbooks, too, so you’d have a better argument if you explained your conceptual disagreement rather than trying to pretend the concept doesn’t exist.
- rights_reminder 2y ago
  I will bring this up every time someone mentions this, but your money is not being taken without consent. You are signing tax forms without knowing what they mean in law and voluntarily (incorrectly) giving it to them. Income taxes are excise taxes.
- inejge 2y ago
  taken without consent; every constituent who voted for every representative who ratified the 16th amendment is now dead Isn't it nice when you get nerd sniped by complete nonsense? I wanted to see what amendments would get invalidated using the quoted line of reasoning, aside from the whole Bill of Rights. Using the date of ratification from Wikipedia and subtracting the voting age at the time gives you the absolute lower limit of the age of any voting constituent: Am Ratified VA Latest BD Age ----------------------------------- 1 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 2 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 3 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 4 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 5 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 6 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 7 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 8 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 9 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 10 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 11 02/07/1795 21 02/07/1774 251 12 06/15/1804 21 06/15/1783 241 13 12/06/1865 21 12/06/1844 180 14 07/09/1868 21 07/09/1847 177 15 02/03/1870 21 02/03/1849 176 16 02/03/1913 21 02/03/1892 133 17 04/08/1913 21 04/08/1892 132 18 01/16/1919 21 01/16/1898 127 19 08/18/1920 21 08/18/1899 125 20 01/23/1933 21 01/23/1912 113 21 12/05/1933 21 12/05/1912 112 22 02/27/1951 21 02/27/1930 95 23 03/29/1961 21 03/29/1940 84 24 01/23/1964 21 01/23/1943 82 25 02/10/1967 21 02/10/1946 79 26 07/01/1971 21 07/01/1950 74 27 05/07/1992 18 05/07/1974 50 Using the SSA cutoff date of 115 years, we see that the 20th and the 21st are a bit iffy, which isn't so bad because the 21st is the repeal of the 18th, and the 20th is a bit technical, but: women's suffrage is kaput! Slavery is OK again! Senators are to be appointed! Etc. At least term limits still apply, whew.

If you require taxpayers to consent to every single line item, voting is going to become rather cumbersome.

sneak 2y ago

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digitaltrees 2y ago
You can migrate and renounce citizenship. Staying and benefiting from the spending is tacit consent no?
- sneak 2y ago
  There is no such thing as tacit consent.
  - acdha 2y ago
    The fact that there’s a term for it which we all know suggests otherwise. It’s literally in textbooks, too, so you’d have a better argument if you explained your conceptual disagreement rather than trying to pretend the concept doesn’t exist.
rights_reminder 2y ago
I will bring this up every time someone mentions this, but your money is not being taken without consent. You are signing tax forms without knowing what they mean in law and voluntarily (incorrectly) giving it to them. Income taxes are excise taxes.
inejge 2y ago
taken without consent; every constituent who voted for every representative who ratified the 16th amendment is now dead Isn't it nice when you get nerd sniped by complete nonsense? I wanted to see what amendments would get invalidated using the quoted line of reasoning, aside from the whole Bill of Rights. Using the date of ratification from Wikipedia and subtracting the voting age at the time gives you the absolute lower limit of the age of any voting constituent: Am Ratified VA Latest BD Age ----------------------------------- 1 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 2 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 3 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 4 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 5 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 6 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 7 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 8 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 9 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 10 12/15/1791 21 12/15/1770 254 11 02/07/1795 21 02/07/1774 251 12 06/15/1804 21 06/15/1783 241 13 12/06/1865 21 12/06/1844 180 14 07/09/1868 21 07/09/1847 177 15 02/03/1870 21 02/03/1849 176 16 02/03/1913 21 02/03/1892 133 17 04/08/1913 21 04/08/1892 132 18 01/16/1919 21 01/16/1898 127 19 08/18/1920 21 08/18/1899 125 20 01/23/1933 21 01/23/1912 113 21 12/05/1933 21 12/05/1912 112 22 02/27/1951 21 02/27/1930 95 23 03/29/1961 21 03/29/1940 84 24 01/23/1964 21 01/23/1943 82 25 02/10/1967 21 02/10/1946 79 26 07/01/1971 21 07/01/1950 74 27 05/07/1992 18 05/07/1974 50 Using the SSA cutoff date of 115 years, we see that the 20th and the 21st are a bit iffy, which isn't so bad because the 21st is the repeal of the 18th, and the 20th is a bit technical, but: women's suffrage is kaput! Slavery is OK again! Senators are to be appointed! Etc. At least term limits still apply, whew.