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I mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has don

I mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has done in the first two months is a wet dream for Putin. Across the board. Isolate/sever ties with EU and NATO. Threaten allies. Disrupt FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA with mass firings and incompetent leaders. Clear out the military leadership. Threaten Ukraine. Say Ukraine caused the war. Negotiate "peace" without Ukraine. Pro-Putin Musk rooting around with access rights everywhere. Starting trade wars. Disrupt EV/alt energy to extend primacy of petroleum. Cut off funding of Ukraine. So it should be assumed that Putin owns the White House and the US intelligence apparatus. Either that, or any intelligence defense is fundamentally compromised.

brettkromkamp 2y ago
This!
immibis 2y ago
It's worth noting that all those things you mentioned about Ukraine are standard practice for Palestine and no one bats an eye.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Ukraine-Russia is basically a fight for the integrity of Europe against Putin. From the perspective of the West, it is a slam dunk to support Ukraine against Putin, a despicable evil militaristic autocrat. Ukraine isn't paid to be a thorn in Russia's side lobbing rockets and sending suicide bombers. It's not a terrorist state. Palestine-Israel is a tragedy of geopolitical manipulation by Iran, Egypt, UAE, and the Sunni-Shia divide, and of course the US. On one side, it's a bunch of mafia terrorists supported by Iran and other "bad" people. On the other side is an extremist right wing government that was politically enabled by Palestinian terrorism and the inherent tribal hatred in the region. Israel is essentially a democracy. What those voters voted in is another issue, but we're dealing with that here too. The real tragedy of the Palestinians is that the world let them think they cared about them. They don't. We are entering a world of general conflict and tension, one where simultaneously oil will mean less and less. I care way more about Ukraine and Russia than the Israel-Palestine conflict. The Palestinians survive on external aid almost exclusively. That aid is going to dry up in the next decade, and ... I see nothing but humanitarian disaster to follow. The Palestinians would be wise to throw themselves at the mercy of Israel and lay down all weapons, it is the only way they won't mass starve in the next ten years.

brettkromkamp 2y ago

This!

immibis 2y ago

It's worth noting that all those things you mentioned about Ukraine are standard practice for Palestine and no one bats an eye.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
Ukraine-Russia is basically a fight for the integrity of Europe against Putin. From the perspective of the West, it is a slam dunk to support Ukraine against Putin, a despicable evil militaristic autocrat. Ukraine isn't paid to be a thorn in Russia's side lobbing rockets and sending suicide bombers. It's not a terrorist state. Palestine-Israel is a tragedy of geopolitical manipulation by Iran, Egypt, UAE, and the Sunni-Shia divide, and of course the US. On one side, it's a bunch of mafia terrorists supported by Iran and other "bad" people. On the other side is an extremist right wing government that was politically enabled by Palestinian terrorism and the inherent tribal hatred in the region. Israel is essentially a democracy. What those voters voted in is another issue, but we're dealing with that here too. The real tragedy of the Palestinians is that the world let them think they cared about them. They don't. We are entering a world of general conflict and tension, one where simultaneously oil will mean less and less. I care way more about Ukraine and Russia than the Israel-Palestine conflict. The Palestinians survive on external aid almost exclusively. That aid is going to dry up in the next decade, and ... I see nothing but humanitarian disaster to follow. The Palestinians would be wise to throw themselves at the mercy of Israel and lay down all weapons, it is the only way they won't mass starve in the next ten years.