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It really fascinates me how the "other" clientele of HN operates. The world of networking, marketing yourself, creating a resume of sorts through your blogging.
by aquova 2y ago
It really fascinates me how the "other" clientele of HN operates. The world of networking, marketing yourself, creating a resume of sorts through your blogging. I'm just some dude with a decent job occasionally writing blog posts because it amuses me. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a dozen people read them before I die. AI doesn't really factor into the calculus of whether or not I want to continue doing it at all.
- aprilthird2021 2y agoI have actually cut back on blogging (partly) because I don't want my hard work to be slurped up and regurgitated by an AI. I write for other people. Not for AI
- dwg 2y agoMakes me wonder, how about changing your blog to a mailing list?
- aprilthird2021 2y agoYeah maybe that's the move. I don't really have a following though, lol
- chefandy 2y agoI don’t think there has to be some practical economic business justification to a) feel bummed out by your creative output getting munged up into something that, for all its better uses, will feed the great fire hoses spraying trillions of gallons of bullshit all over our information landscape, or b) reduce your creative output because of it. It’s weird how entitled people feel to other people’s creative work and get mad when people don’t freely create for and share with them, while simultaneously minimizing the value that work and its authors bring to our society. Despite what many say, the way people receive and interact with your work mentally/emotionally is really important, and all your work being sucked up into these models— often to create commercial products that are openly antagonistic to the people that created the work that made it possible— changes that. It’s sad that AI has devalued creative processes even to the creators themselves.
- 6510 2y agoYou could hack the email addresses out of a website, make disposable email addresses and send your writings to everyone including the replies from the previous newsletter with your response to them.
- kmoser 2y agoThat's no guarantee it won't get slurped up by an AI at some point. Anything that goes into, say, GMail is ripe for plucking. And there's always a good chance your newsletters will get publicly archived on some web page somewhere, whether intentional or not.
- dwg 2y agoI had the same thought. Still, perfect or not, I bet it'll be an attractive option for some. I guess our gmail content has been fed into an AI of sorts since many years ago. I would surely hope, however, that Google would not use it for any sort of non-private LLM training data.
- sanex 2y agoWhat about the idea that writing for the AI is your best opportunity to help contribute to it's direction?
- Hamuko 2y agoWhere's my cut of the AI profits?
- throwaway2037 2y agoNice retort, but serious question: Except for NVidia (and maybe AMD's GPU division), is anyone making any money from AI/LLMs yet? I think no.
- watwut 2y agoSV companies have that cycle where they give things for free until peoppe get dependent or until they killed competition. Then they switch to using every trick in a book to make you pay.
- HKH2 2y agoPeople had been stealing ideas long before computers started doing it.
- chefandy 2y ago> People had been stealing ideas long before computers started doing it. So it’s not ok to be bothered by it because it’s been happening a long time?
- HKH2 2y agoI can't imagine how culture could exist without ideas being taken without permission.
- chefandy 2y agoStraw man. I can’t imagine how culture could exist without some people being thrown in prison. That doesn’t mean that criticizing a law or law enforcement practice is equivalent to arguing for abolishing prisons.
- HKH2 2y agoWe can agree that prison and appropriation are both necessary for culture, regardless of their negative effects. Your problem is the scale at which knowledge and ideas are being appropriated, but my point is that it was already happening a lot but it was far more implicit; now it's just explicit that it's happening because we see the process laid bare.
- chefandy 2y agoNo, that is not “my problem” with it. It is one facet of it, there are lots of sucky ways to take ideas that have nothing to do with scale, and there are lots of ways that fundamentally mechanically harvesting “ideas” as data is different than just learning quickly, but I’m not interested in re-arguing any of this for the 500th time on HN.
- protocolture 2y agoI am a person (allegedly) and I would benefit from AI regurgitating your content. Much the same way I benefit from Google indexing the internet, and summarizing news articles.
- adra 2y agoGoogle gives attribution and maybe provenance, while AI gives you smoke and mirrors. I guess we'll decide if copyright has any legs left to stand on in the modern world, or if it falls as collateral. It's so sad that commercial piracy has hit such an incredible tipping point that even I feel bad for creative people and their bleak economically dead future ahead.
- lurk2 2y agoI want to be optimistic, but I suspect what we'll end up with is a legal interpretation which allows LLMs to steal content from creators without the cool side benefit of being permitted to steal content ourselves. It will become legal for an LLM to turn your blog into a part of its library, but you won't be able to apply the same logic to read out-of-print books.
- blululu 2y agoReading and writing are both intimate activities. The reader holds the writer's thoughts in mind, and the writer knows this and acts accordingly. Personally, I don't particularly enjoy reading material that was made by an LLM. The fact that so little effort was applied suggests that there is not much reason for this to exist beyond a chance to serve a few quick links. Since the llm is also running this as a business, I would also point out the social connection between reader and writer does come with some expectation of a reward. Whether it is to be paid in cash or respect is beside the point. People often expect some reward for their efforts and they are not wrong to want that. People are often uncomfortable to put it so bluntly because that would compromise the quality of the relationship, but upending this relationship is really a perversion of logic carried out for purely selfish reasons ("I want what you are making, and I will give nothing in return").
- serial_dev 2y agoAI doesn’t care, the people using AI care. If you really write for other people, I’d recommend you reconsider blogging again. Even if you write primarily for yourself (vanity, marketing, client acquisition, there is nothing wrong with that) and not for other people, I’d still recommend you publish your stuff. Not publishing will have always <= effect than publishing, even if AI slurps it up.
- antonchekhov 2y agoJD Salinger took a lot of heat over his reticence to publish any more of his writings after Catcher In the Rye and the Glass family stories. In 1974, he responded to the NY Times, "There is a marvelous peace in not publishing. It's peaceful. Still. Publishing is a terrible invasion of my privacy. I like to write. I live to write. But I write just for myself and my own pleasure. I don't necessarily intend to publish posthumously, but I do like to write for myself. I pay for this kind of attitude. I'm known as a strange, aloof kind of man. But all I'm doing is trying to protect myself and my work."
- sgt 2y agoIsn't there a robots.txt equivalent for AI?
- simianparrot 2y agoIt’s not respected, there’s a lot of posts on HN about this. Just one quick reference: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/several-ai-companies-said-to-be-ignoring-robots-dot-txt-exclusion-scraping-content-without-permission-report https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell...
- Hamuko 2y agoYou'd probably have a better time using something like Cloudflare to block known scrapers than trust companies that pirate terabytes of books to train their models to obey a "please don't" text file. https://blog.cloudflare.com/declaring-your-aindependence-block-ai-bots-scrapers-and-crawlers-with-a-single-click/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/declaring-your-aindependence-blo...
- sim7c00 2y agowhat will happen if it was? some kind of end of the universe event? i really dont think its such a big deal. If you enjoy blogging, then enjoy it. Maybe its an excuse, AI, for something that was already in the making.
- gpjt 2y agoIs your job super-safe? If so, that's awesome :-) The whole marketing thing only becomes important if you have to get a new one, and then it can become important very quickly.
- 0xEF 2y agoThat's where it turned for me. Originally, I had started a small tech-topic blog with the idea that it would be my portfolio because I really wanted to write for a tech publication, most because I thought I had the chops for it and I want a job where I can travel and work. Things started off okay, me writing about my projects, etc on a small self-hosted site with zero analytics, keeping things small and manageable in my free time. But the lack of feedback sort of left me I limbo. Was I writing in an engaging way? Were my subjects interesting to more than just me? I had no idea. Eventually, that iteration of the blog got deleted. And I made another. And another. And so on. Til I landed on the current version, which is basically me just faffing about with a editorials about tech for fun since I have little time for actual projects anymore, let alone the accompanying writeup. I still want that writing job, but I realize how much of a pipe dream it is, now. Tech bloggers were already a dime a dozen before I showed up and genAI only saturated that market even further. That, and I still have no interest in working for or hosting a site that is hostile to my reader by being a bloated sludge of scripts and sloppy use of frameworks, which limits my market for a writing career in disappointing and obvious ways. When I see discussions like this pop up about writing online in today's landscape, it seems to always come down to "write what you find interesting or fun, but keep your eyes expectations near zero" which seems so self-defeating considering how much work it often takes to maintain a blog while you also have to tend to real life. As much as I loath places like Medium or Substack for asking for money up front, I do understand why those writers choose to go there instead of walking my lonely path.
- herval 2y agoI might be the kind of person that requires external validation, what I noticed is I simply stopped writing online, for the most part. It just feels like writing/tweeting/etc into a cacophony, makes me slightly uncomfortable adding to the noise and discouraged that nobody (no human at least) will read anyway. So I just write what would be blog posts on Notes app and don’t post anywhere…
- dan00 2y agoIt's the few highlights in the cacophony called life, that makes life worth living.
- Swizec 2y agoI read this comment. That said I have also found myself writing less, but not because I think it’s less worthwhile than it was 15 years ago when I started, it’s that the internet feels like it has become less deep. Probably not because the internet has changed but because I’ve learned more so fewer and fewer things tickle that curious part of the brain and feel worth writing about. The things that do feel worth it are so off the deep end that there are fewer and fewer readers who are interested.
- strken 2y agoWriting on the internet sometimes feels like being a blob of uranium in a reactor where control rods are slowly being inserted at the same time as the reaction chamber is being expanded. There is factually more fissile material out there, but it's no longer as close to critical mass.
- throwaway2037 2y agoI am not a blogger, but was very active on StackOverflow for years -- mostly asking, but sometimes answering. I used it to learn and to create digital footprints, similar to blogging. I blame most of my slow down on experience and age (same-same, but different). After a while, my questions for SO became so hard, they would only get a few views and no answers. I'm no genius, but with enough experience, you will stumble across some never-before-answered problem.
- sgt 2y agoThe fact that you see it this way, actually makes your writing so much more interesting. It's genuine.
- krige 2y agoI guess I am in the same boat. I blog because I have this creative urge to write about subjects that interest me, and put it on the web because why not. AI would only accomplish taking away the part that I find "fun" about it, the reason to do it in the first place.
- interludead 2y agoHonestly, that's probably the best approach: writing because you enjoy it, not because of algorithms, engagement metrics, or personal branding
- sim7c00 2y agothis is the spirit :). i dont mind ppl using AI or not actually. for some it really helps their writing. its what it exists for imho. but i do appreciate a good writer. other then that, blogs are about the topic, not it being written in some uber writing style. for the writer, id hope like you it gives them joy, because that usually is something which gives it some spirit and joy to read also. its not important at all how things are worded if there was fun to be had!
- deergomoo 2y agoI’m with you, my blog is a static site with no JS hosted on GitHub pages. Unless I ever see anyone discussing it or linking to it I have no way of even knowing if it’s being read or not. I write for me, mostly.
- mnky9800n 2y agoYes. I don’t really understand the “you will be replaced” mentality. I do things because I like doing them not because they have some optimum economic value. Like read the ad copy of old apple or HP or xerox and see how they wanted to help make tools that help you think. Today everyone wants to make tools that help you make money. I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me.
- larodi 2y agoI love designing posters for thé love of it. AI helps me learn new shortcuts or suggest tools, helps me delete this or that, but essentially - my appreciation for the process comes from actually moving things around myself and having a say myself. With generative art/writing, well honestly - the author is very very limited in what he can command the NN do and particularly if the author has a string vision. Same for music - I wouldn’t let AI arrange my Renoise tracks, I’d love to do it myself. Is love to create the VCV patches by carefully tuning each knob. And particularly when I actually know/imagine/envision how it should sound. It takes understanding of underlying tech and love for the work. Love - very important. For people lacking vision and creativity, those in a hurry, those under pressure to do shitjobs they hate - it idées may be better to use AI. But not for the real artist.
- mnky9800n 2y agoWhat are your favorite design posters from "the good old days"? haha. Can you share the posters you have made? It's cool that you make such things.
- anal_reactor 2y ago> I just don’t see why my life needs to be optimised for making money compared to engaging in interesting ideas and creating peace and happiness in the space around me. This means your are rich, and you can afford the luxury of such mindset.
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- kaashif 2y agoYeah, it's very interesting. To me, this is like saying "why write a journal when AI can generate years worth of journal entries?" Not even coherent, really. That's not why I write at all. It's also not why I read.
- AndrewStephens 2y ago> I'm just some dude with a decent job occasionally writing blog posts because it amuses me. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a dozen people read them before I die. That is exactly the right approach. Most of the posts on my blog have low 3 figure hit rates after being up for a decade (the long tail is a joke) - that averages to maybe 20 hits a year. But that is not that point. I enjoyed writing the posts and just maybe somebody, somewhere enjoyed reading my hot take on The Last Jedi or whatever. I don't really understand the people who blog for "exposure" or money - it seems like such an effort for very little material gain.
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