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They are not mutually exclusive. Counter examples: - Katz's deli in NYC is incredibly famous, in a great location, and actually has kickass pastrami. The trade

by asah 2y ago

They are not mutually exclusive. Counter examples: - Katz's deli in NYC is incredibly famous, in a great location, and actually has kickass pastrami. The trade-off are relatively high prices and lines down the block - restaurants with exclusive relationships. - restaurants that make money another way, e.g. gambling. - family owned restaurants with legacy rent deals. - restaurants that cater to niche audiences e.g. small ethnicities and religions (And others, probably)

porphyra 2y ago
Probably one of the most famous examples is Jiro sushi which is in a subway station.
deanCommie 2y ago
They're not mutually exclusive because they're a triangle. Cost, Convenience, Quality: Pick 2 This isn't that deep either - convenience and quality are 2 things that cost the restaurant money (either via higher rent, or more expensive ingredients). You can't do all 3 because you'll never make a profit. You can't do only 1 or you'll never get any customers. Two is just right for both buyer and seller.
robot 2y ago
these examples are all exceptions. how much do the exceptions contribute to the discussion?
- anamexis 2y ago
  > how much do the exceptions contribute to the discussion? A fair amount, if the number of exceptions are such that the rule of thumb isn't useful.
  - handoflixue 2y ago
    I really don't think the 5 provided examples do much - I can't even imagine how "Katz deli in NYC" would be a useful data point at all.
  - fknorangesite 2y ago
    Do you know what "rule of thumb" means? Did you think you were being helpful?
    - anamexis 2y ago
      > Do you know what "rule of thumb" means? A broadly accurate guide or principle. If there are enough exceptions that it is not broadly accurate, it's not a good rule of thumb. > Did you think you were being helpful? By doing what?
ghaff 2y ago
Is Katz's actually a great location? It is for some--well, many/most places in Manhattan are a great location for some given the density--but it's hell and gone from Midtown, UES, etc. As someone who has visited Manhattan semi-regularly over the years (and even lived there for a summer) I think I've been to Katz's once and would never have described it as convenient. ADDED: These days, sure, close to Lower East Side and Orchard Street but that sure wasn't primo real estate a few decades ago (including When Harry Met Sally was filmed).
- detourdog 2y ago
  Katz's is great because it is one of the last "old school Delicatessens". There used to be more convenient deli's all over Manhattan.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    A number have gone out of business to be sure. There's still a (couple?) 2nd Ave deli. Not sure what else there is at this point.
acaloiar 2y ago
Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. The grand parent post clearly stated it is the poster's "rule of thumb". By definition they are aware that the rules are [likely] "not mutually exclusive". Starting with "these are not mutually exclusive", is what makes this comment so unnecessary. Don't be proud of having listed exceptions to someone's rule of thumb. Had you started with, "I like that; these are a few exceptions I've observed to your rules that I find interesting", that would be a productive way to start a conversation. But starting with "these are not mutually exclusive" makes you seem like an ass for having pointed at an exception to something that by definition has exceptions. It's right in the posting guidelines [1.] > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [1.] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- potato3732842 2y ago
  >Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. Yeah I'm not a fan but it's orders of magnitude less frustrating than the people that try to take a very lossy rule of thumb with a fat "better safe than sorry" factor baked in and then do mental gymnastics to try and plug all the massive gaps.
- fknorangesite 2y ago
  "Getting"? HN has always been like this. Christ this website can be so full of insufferable pedantry. I don't know why people think that such comments are a good contribution.
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    N gate died far too soon...
    - genewitch 2y ago
      i made a markov chain off the site after converting to json and the first generate_sentence(): > "contextualize for a good old-fashioned shitfight about the internet. Hackernews does software they vote on their eggs in Google's ultimate" I'm unwilling to share that json here, because of the implications. btw i remembered both of you that mentioned it this week, and got up and pwshed it out.
hattmall 2y ago
I think it's probably even more close to being the opposite. Well known Restaurants in great locations tend to actually be very good. I think being good and in a good location leads to restaurants being well known. But I also think people claim Chick-fil-a and McDonald's aren't good are lying to themselves. Those restaurants routinely focus-group their food and make sure that it's ranked very high for taste and not just among their fast food counterparts. It an acquired distaste for people not to like it.
- asah 2y ago
  "times square olive garden" hahaha
jandrese 2y ago
One other: - restaurants that are going to fail but have not done so quite yet That covers a lot of restaurants. It's a business sector with a lot of churn. Many mediocre establishments hold on for a few years before they close.
RajT88 2y ago
Where I live, video slots have infiltrated many restaurants. It is weird! Even some slightly fancy restaurants have a corner full of slot machines. They must make a small mint to offset putting off diners. I know what you are thinking: This guy lives in Nevada. Nope. Illinois. That last category seems to be growing as well nearby. There are 3 Uzbek restaurants in the neighboring towns. 3! All opened within a year of each other, I think.

by asah 2y ago

porphyra 2y ago

Probably one of the most famous examples is Jiro sushi which is in a subway station.

deanCommie 2y ago

They're not mutually exclusive because they're a triangle. Cost, Convenience, Quality: Pick 2 This isn't that deep either - convenience and quality are 2 things that cost the restaurant money (either via higher rent, or more expensive ingredients). You can't do all 3 because you'll never make a profit. You can't do only 1 or you'll never get any customers. Two is just right for both buyer and seller.

robot 2y ago

these examples are all exceptions. how much do the exceptions contribute to the discussion?

anamexis 2y ago
> how much do the exceptions contribute to the discussion? A fair amount, if the number of exceptions are such that the rule of thumb isn't useful.
- handoflixue 2y ago
  I really don't think the 5 provided examples do much - I can't even imagine how "Katz deli in NYC" would be a useful data point at all.
- fknorangesite 2y ago
  Do you know what "rule of thumb" means? Did you think you were being helpful?
  - anamexis 2y ago
    > Do you know what "rule of thumb" means? A broadly accurate guide or principle. If there are enough exceptions that it is not broadly accurate, it's not a good rule of thumb. > Did you think you were being helpful? By doing what?

ghaff 2y ago

Is Katz's actually a great location? It is for some--well, many/most places in Manhattan are a great location for some given the density--but it's hell and gone from Midtown, UES, etc. As someone who has visited Manhattan semi-regularly over the years (and even lived there for a summer) I think I've been to Katz's once and would never have described it as convenient. ADDED: These days, sure, close to Lower East Side and Orchard Street but that sure wasn't primo real estate a few decades ago (including When Harry Met Sally was filmed).

detourdog 2y ago
Katz's is great because it is one of the last "old school Delicatessens". There used to be more convenient deli's all over Manhattan.
- ghaff 2y ago
  A number have gone out of business to be sure. There's still a (couple?) 2nd Ave deli. Not sure what else there is at this point.

acaloiar 2y ago

Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. The grand parent post clearly stated it is the poster's "rule of thumb". By definition they are aware that the rules are [likely] "not mutually exclusive". Starting with "these are not mutually exclusive", is what makes this comment so unnecessary. Don't be proud of having listed exceptions to someone's rule of thumb. Had you started with, "I like that; these are a few exceptions I've observed to your rules that I find interesting", that would be a productive way to start a conversation. But starting with "these are not mutually exclusive" makes you seem like an ass for having pointed at an exception to something that by definition has exceptions. It's right in the posting guidelines [1.] > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. [1.] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

potato3732842 2y ago
>Comments of this quality are getting frustrating. Yeah I'm not a fan but it's orders of magnitude less frustrating than the people that try to take a very lossy rule of thumb with a fat "better safe than sorry" factor baked in and then do mental gymnastics to try and plug all the massive gaps.
fknorangesite 2y ago
"Getting"? HN has always been like this. Christ this website can be so full of insufferable pedantry. I don't know why people think that such comments are a good contribution.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  N gate died far too soon...
  - genewitch 2y ago
    i made a markov chain off the site after converting to json and the first generate_sentence(): > "contextualize for a good old-fashioned shitfight about the internet. Hackernews does software they vote on their eggs in Google's ultimate" I'm unwilling to share that json here, because of the implications. btw i remembered both of you that mentioned it this week, and got up and pwshed it out.

hattmall 2y ago

I think it's probably even more close to being the opposite. Well known Restaurants in great locations tend to actually be very good. I think being good and in a good location leads to restaurants being well known. But I also think people claim Chick-fil-a and McDonald's aren't good are lying to themselves. Those restaurants routinely focus-group their food and make sure that it's ranked very high for taste and not just among their fast food counterparts. It an acquired distaste for people not to like it.

asah 2y ago
"times square olive garden" hahaha

jandrese 2y ago

One other: - restaurants that are going to fail but have not done so quite yet That covers a lot of restaurants. It's a business sector with a lot of churn. Many mediocre establishments hold on for a few years before they close.

RajT88 2y ago

Where I live, video slots have infiltrated many restaurants. It is weird! Even some slightly fancy restaurants have a corner full of slot machines. They must make a small mint to offset putting off diners. I know what you are thinking: This guy lives in Nevada. Nope. Illinois. That last category seems to be growing as well nearby. There are 3 Uzbek restaurants in the neighboring towns. 3! All opened within a year of each other, I think.