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When all the early prototype bugs are ironed out, will the second generation be called V2?

by dvh 2y ago

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
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- NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
  >I want SpaceX de-Musked Why? I don't much care for Kardashians, but I just ignored that they had a tv show. >which is going to be REALLY hard given the private ownership majority he presumably owns, Maybe you'll rise high in the ranks once the proletariat starts the revolution.
  - unsnap_biceps 2y ago
    I would love spaceX de-musked because I want to support them! I want to be a share holder! I want them to be successful, but I don't want to support Musk, so I have conflicting wants. I don't have a conflicting set of wants with the Kardashians, so I do just ignore them and it's all good.
  - EA-3167 2y ago
    The Kardashians didn't own and run an economically and strategically critical company. There's a big difference between wanting Musk far away from SpaceX, and wanting a communist revolution, just like there's a difference between owning a make-up brand and the world's leading launch company.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
      >The Kardashians didn't own and run an economically and strategically critical company. Fair. Do you have a problem with Musk's progress in the problems that company is trying to solve? Is there any reason to believe that if someone else were in charge, that progress would improve? >There's a big difference between wanting Musk far away from SpaceX, and wanting a communist revolution, Possibly, for some people. But the people who complain about Musk aren't the sort that are concerned with the economic or strategic importance of SpaceX. He's just someone they dislike, and they want him punished. Why does fate not intervene, they ask, and give him nut cancer? It gets old.
      - EA-3167 2y ago
        I'm complaining about Musk, and there is no part of my comment history that suggests the pattern of behavior you suggest. I'm not inclined to speak for anyone else though, so if you have a problem with how someone else handles this, I'd take it up with them. My concern is that a clearly unstable degenerate is running strategically critical part of our economy. It really is that simple. The company is great, the man in charge is not, and unless he can clone himself he isn't spending much time running it. I don't think his removal or sidelining would be a loss to the company, and it would be a boon for national security. Don't want Uncle Sam in your business? Don't take government contracts, especially not NatSec ones.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > Is there any reason to believe that if someone else were in charge, that progress would improve? With him running six companies and half the Federal government, is there any reason to believe he is meaningfully in charge at SpaceX for day-to-day operations? If I had seven jobs my boss would be pretty peeved at my part-timed-ness.
  - IAmGraydon 2y ago
    >Why? I don't much care for Kardashians, but I just ignored that they had a tv show. Were the Kardashians uprooting the US Government or am I missing something?
  - Veserv 2y ago
    The Kardashians did not have money disbursement and firing authority over vast swathes of the US federal government. Maybe it is just me, but I feel that demands a little more scrutiny than reality TV stars. We certainly should not lower the expected standards of behavior and give a free pass on things we expect normal people without the power to do extreme harm to abide by. The highest should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
      >The Kardashians did not have money disbursement and firing authority over vast swathes of the US federal government. True. However, I will point out that this has absolutely nothing to do with SpaceX, not even indirectly. If OP had said that he wishes that Musk had no authority/influence in the execute branch, that might or might not be something I disagree with, but it would make sense. > but I feel that demands a little more scrutiny Yes, but the first comment didn't demand scrutiny, it demanded punishment. >We certainly should not lower the expected standards of behavior Not sure how this falls under behavior. Is he farting under the dinner table? Refusing to wear pants in public? You don't like his policies, which makes him a member of the dreaded "other tribe". >and give a free pass on things we expect normal people without the power to do extreme harm to abide by. Which things would those be, exactly?
      - Veserv 2y ago
        I do not like his policies that enabled the free and unrestrained usage of the N-word and Swastikas in his Fremont, California Tesla factory. Do you? Please explain why you agree that is acceptable workplace culture. If you are unaware of that behavior, please educate yourself before postulating the behavior I am referencing. If you defend their behavior I will take that as defending the behavior that has been legally established as fact. I am not going to allow you to move the goalposts, so do your research first. And please refrain from arguing: “That is not his responsibility.” Or “That is just how it is.” Please point to any other factory in California where comparable levels of racist behavior were tolerated in this millennium. This is basic workplace policy that the overwhelming majority of companies do with their eyes closed. I can do others, but please address this one first. 1. Is rampant usage of the N-word and Swastikas acceptable workplace behavior? A simple yes or no will suffice. 2. Is it challenging or harmful to reduce the quantity of such behavior to industry norms? If yes, please identify large organizations where such behavior is the norm to present evidence for your claim. 3. Is it acceptable to allow such behavior and policy to persist even though it is simple to rectify and incurs minimal costs? A simple yes or no will suffice.
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
    Is there some censorship on this site we can't mention TWO Sieg Heils on national television? That isn't the Kardashians. The Kardashians may be masters of propaganda, but they didn't organize the killing factories for 20 million people and kill another 20-40 million civilian deaths. Nothing could demonstrate someone's cluelessness about fascism, Nazis, and history than that comment. You also don't know what "communism" is and it's other 50-100 million civilian deaths, so kudos to you doubling down on your ignorance.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > Musk wants to deorbit the space station More than Musk; SpaceX was awarded the deorbit contract last year, under Biden. https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-international-space-station-us-deorbit-vehicle/ https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-international... > I hope the astronauts get back safely They'll be fine. SpaceX has a perfect record for manned flight so far. Both scenarios are a bit like Harry Truman claiming to have done most of the work winning WWII.
  - wlesieutre 2y ago
    > More than Musk; SpaceX was awarded the deorbit contract last year, under Biden. The contract to deorbit after the end of its operational life in 2030. Musk wants to deorbit the ISS as soon as possible instead, after getting in a twitter argument with astronaut Andreas Mogensen.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Which, given Musk's timelines to date, means he'll be ready to do it right around the already-expected 2030 date if he claims he can do it by 2027.
    - gs17 2y ago
      >after getting in a twitter argument with astronaut Andreas Mogensen. And that's describing it very charitably towards Musk. https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1892584783064052114 https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1892584783064052114 shows his response to being called out on a lie as calling a former commander of the ISS "fully retarded".
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      > Musk wants to deorbit the ISS as soon as possible Musk has no say in the ISS. No need to worry about it.
      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        Musk is a Presidential adviser without a bounded specific portfolio, he has say in anything that (1) the executive branch has a say in, and (b) Trump chooses to listen to him on; as NASA is one of the participating agencies in ISS, the US executive branch has some role in it, and Musk could potentially exert influence over that.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  > I want SpaceX de-Musked ASAP Consider what happened to Apple when Jobs was forced out (and then when he came back), and what happened to Microsoft when Gates left. Musk made what SpaceX is today. He's been doing an incredible service to the world with SpaceX.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > Consider what happened to Apple when Jobs was forced out... He learned a lot, and came back with that knowledge? We don't really know what Apple would look like if Jobs hadn't had his years in the wilderness; I suspect, for example, that Pixar wouldn't have happened. At times, immature children benefit from a time out.
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      We do know what happened when Jobs returned. He turned a company that was 90 days from bankruptcy into the biggest company in the world. With the same staff. That's the difference the right leader makes. Let's look at what Musk has done: 1. completely revolutionized the space industry, from the ground up 2. deployed starlink, which saved lives in N Carolina and revolutionized satellite communication 3. revolutionized the moribund electric car industry 4. with Neuralink, has revolutionized the lives of quadraplegics. He's extending that to hopefully provide sight to the blind It's hard to think of any other individual who has contributed so much to the betterment of humanity. > immature children LOL
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > We do know what happened when Jobs returned. But, without a time machine, we don't know what 1980s-era Jobs keeping his CEO role would've looked like. > With the same staff. And more than a decade of additional experience under his belt. (And nearly running NeXT and Pixar into the ground!) This is... not controversial; Jobs himself said so. https://www.newsweek.com/wilderness-years-68157 https://www.newsweek.com/wilderness-years-68157 > "The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything," he said at a famous Stanford commencement speech in 2005. "It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life."
vessenes 2y ago
Werner von golf clap for you sir
russdill 2y ago
This generation of starship is literally called V2
- alabastervlog 2y ago
  Sadly, I did not have "the US rocket program comes full circle... in a couple ways" on my 2025 bingo card.
- decimalenough 2y ago
  In case you missed the joke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket
_joel 2y ago
Just waiting for "operation too many alleged paperclips" to finish
tim333 2y ago
Perhaps the moon orientated version could be called Moonraker after the Bond novel featuring a wealthy industrialist building rockets who turns out to secretly be a nazi. It is of course an implausible plot but the name is good.

When all the early prototype bugs are ironed out, will the second generation be called V2?

by dvh 2y ago

When all the early prototype bugs are ironed out, will the second generation be called V2?

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

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NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
>I want SpaceX de-Musked Why? I don't much care for Kardashians, but I just ignored that they had a tv show. >which is going to be REALLY hard given the private ownership majority he presumably owns, Maybe you'll rise high in the ranks once the proletariat starts the revolution.
- unsnap_biceps 2y ago
  I would love spaceX de-musked because I want to support them! I want to be a share holder! I want them to be successful, but I don't want to support Musk, so I have conflicting wants. I don't have a conflicting set of wants with the Kardashians, so I do just ignore them and it's all good.
- EA-3167 2y ago
  The Kardashians didn't own and run an economically and strategically critical company. There's a big difference between wanting Musk far away from SpaceX, and wanting a communist revolution, just like there's a difference between owning a make-up brand and the world's leading launch company.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    >The Kardashians didn't own and run an economically and strategically critical company. Fair. Do you have a problem with Musk's progress in the problems that company is trying to solve? Is there any reason to believe that if someone else were in charge, that progress would improve? >There's a big difference between wanting Musk far away from SpaceX, and wanting a communist revolution, Possibly, for some people. But the people who complain about Musk aren't the sort that are concerned with the economic or strategic importance of SpaceX. He's just someone they dislike, and they want him punished. Why does fate not intervene, they ask, and give him nut cancer? It gets old.
    - EA-3167 2y ago
      I'm complaining about Musk, and there is no part of my comment history that suggests the pattern of behavior you suggest. I'm not inclined to speak for anyone else though, so if you have a problem with how someone else handles this, I'd take it up with them. My concern is that a clearly unstable degenerate is running strategically critical part of our economy. It really is that simple. The company is great, the man in charge is not, and unless he can clone himself he isn't spending much time running it. I don't think his removal or sidelining would be a loss to the company, and it would be a boon for national security. Don't want Uncle Sam in your business? Don't take government contracts, especially not NatSec ones.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > Is there any reason to believe that if someone else were in charge, that progress would improve? With him running six companies and half the Federal government, is there any reason to believe he is meaningfully in charge at SpaceX for day-to-day operations? If I had seven jobs my boss would be pretty peeved at my part-timed-ness.
- IAmGraydon 2y ago
  >Why? I don't much care for Kardashians, but I just ignored that they had a tv show. Were the Kardashians uprooting the US Government or am I missing something?
- Veserv 2y ago
  The Kardashians did not have money disbursement and firing authority over vast swathes of the US federal government. Maybe it is just me, but I feel that demands a little more scrutiny than reality TV stars. We certainly should not lower the expected standards of behavior and give a free pass on things we expect normal people without the power to do extreme harm to abide by. The highest should be held to the highest standards, not the lowest.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
    >The Kardashians did not have money disbursement and firing authority over vast swathes of the US federal government. True. However, I will point out that this has absolutely nothing to do with SpaceX, not even indirectly. If OP had said that he wishes that Musk had no authority/influence in the execute branch, that might or might not be something I disagree with, but it would make sense. > but I feel that demands a little more scrutiny Yes, but the first comment didn't demand scrutiny, it demanded punishment. >We certainly should not lower the expected standards of behavior Not sure how this falls under behavior. Is he farting under the dinner table? Refusing to wear pants in public? You don't like his policies, which makes him a member of the dreaded "other tribe". >and give a free pass on things we expect normal people without the power to do extreme harm to abide by. Which things would those be, exactly?
    - Veserv 2y ago
      I do not like his policies that enabled the free and unrestrained usage of the N-word and Swastikas in his Fremont, California Tesla factory. Do you? Please explain why you agree that is acceptable workplace culture. If you are unaware of that behavior, please educate yourself before postulating the behavior I am referencing. If you defend their behavior I will take that as defending the behavior that has been legally established as fact. I am not going to allow you to move the goalposts, so do your research first. And please refrain from arguing: “That is not his responsibility.” Or “That is just how it is.” Please point to any other factory in California where comparable levels of racist behavior were tolerated in this millennium. This is basic workplace policy that the overwhelming majority of companies do with their eyes closed. I can do others, but please address this one first. 1. Is rampant usage of the N-word and Swastikas acceptable workplace behavior? A simple yes or no will suffice. 2. Is it challenging or harmful to reduce the quantity of such behavior to industry norms? If yes, please identify large organizations where such behavior is the norm to present evidence for your claim. 3. Is it acceptable to allow such behavior and policy to persist even though it is simple to rectify and incurs minimal costs? A simple yes or no will suffice.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Is there some censorship on this site we can't mention TWO Sieg Heils on national television? That isn't the Kardashians. The Kardashians may be masters of propaganda, but they didn't organize the killing factories for 20 million people and kill another 20-40 million civilian deaths. Nothing could demonstrate someone's cluelessness about fascism, Nazis, and history than that comment. You also don't know what "communism" is and it's other 50-100 million civilian deaths, so kudos to you doubling down on your ignorance.
ceejayoz 2y ago
> Musk wants to deorbit the space station More than Musk; SpaceX was awarded the deorbit contract last year, under Biden. https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-international-space-station-us-deorbit-vehicle/ https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-international... > I hope the astronauts get back safely They'll be fine. SpaceX has a perfect record for manned flight so far. Both scenarios are a bit like Harry Truman claiming to have done most of the work winning WWII.
- wlesieutre 2y ago
  > More than Musk; SpaceX was awarded the deorbit contract last year, under Biden. The contract to deorbit after the end of its operational life in 2030. Musk wants to deorbit the ISS as soon as possible instead, after getting in a twitter argument with astronaut Andreas Mogensen.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Which, given Musk's timelines to date, means he'll be ready to do it right around the already-expected 2030 date if he claims he can do it by 2027.
  - gs17 2y ago
    >after getting in a twitter argument with astronaut Andreas Mogensen. And that's describing it very charitably towards Musk. https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1892584783064052114 https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1892584783064052114 shows his response to being called out on a lie as calling a former commander of the ISS "fully retarded".
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    > Musk wants to deorbit the ISS as soon as possible Musk has no say in the ISS. No need to worry about it.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      Musk is a Presidential adviser without a bounded specific portfolio, he has say in anything that (1) the executive branch has a say in, and (b) Trump chooses to listen to him on; as NASA is one of the participating agencies in ISS, the US executive branch has some role in it, and Musk could potentially exert influence over that.
WalterBright 2y ago
> I want SpaceX de-Musked ASAP Consider what happened to Apple when Jobs was forced out (and then when he came back), and what happened to Microsoft when Gates left. Musk made what SpaceX is today. He's been doing an incredible service to the world with SpaceX.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > Consider what happened to Apple when Jobs was forced out... He learned a lot, and came back with that knowledge? We don't really know what Apple would look like if Jobs hadn't had his years in the wilderness; I suspect, for example, that Pixar wouldn't have happened. At times, immature children benefit from a time out.
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    We do know what happened when Jobs returned. He turned a company that was 90 days from bankruptcy into the biggest company in the world. With the same staff. That's the difference the right leader makes. Let's look at what Musk has done: 1. completely revolutionized the space industry, from the ground up 2. deployed starlink, which saved lives in N Carolina and revolutionized satellite communication 3. revolutionized the moribund electric car industry 4. with Neuralink, has revolutionized the lives of quadraplegics. He's extending that to hopefully provide sight to the blind It's hard to think of any other individual who has contributed so much to the betterment of humanity. > immature children LOL
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > We do know what happened when Jobs returned. But, without a time machine, we don't know what 1980s-era Jobs keeping his CEO role would've looked like. > With the same staff. And more than a decade of additional experience under his belt. (And nearly running NeXT and Pixar into the ground!) This is... not controversial; Jobs himself said so. https://www.newsweek.com/wilderness-years-68157 https://www.newsweek.com/wilderness-years-68157 > "The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything," he said at a famous Stanford commencement speech in 2005. "It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods of my life."

vessenes 2y ago

Werner von golf clap for you sir

russdill 2y ago

This generation of starship is literally called V2

alabastervlog 2y ago
Sadly, I did not have "the US rocket program comes full circle... in a couple ways" on my 2025 bingo card.
decimalenough 2y ago
In case you missed the joke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket

_joel 2y ago

Just waiting for "operation too many alleged paperclips" to finish

tim333 2y ago

Perhaps the moon orientated version could be called Moonraker after the Bond novel featuring a wealthy industrialist building rockets who turns out to secretly be a nazi. It is of course an implausible plot but the name is good.