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> Google openly train stuff based on your email They do not. Many years ago, they served customized ads based on your email. Then they stopped that, even for

> Google openly train stuff based on your email They do not. Many years ago, they served customized ads based on your email. Then they stopped that, even for free accounts, because it led to a lot of unfounded misunderstanding that "Google reads your email, Google trains on your email"...

jsiepkes 2y ago
Can you prove they don't? Right now Google is losing in the AI space. I wouldn't be surprised if they went with "it's better to ask for forgiveness later than permission upfront".
- crazygringo 2y ago
  Look at all their legal cost contracts like terms of service. Then also consider how all of their enterprise customers would switch to MS/AWS in a heartbeat if they found out Google was training on their private, proprietary data. Google Cloud has been a gigantic investment they've been making for well over a decade now. They're not going to throw away consumer and enterprise trust to train on a bunch of e-mail.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > Then also consider how all of their enterprise customers would switch to MS/AWS in a heartbeat if they found out Google was training on their private, proprietary data. Enterprise customers are one thing, but private customers of ordinary Gmail? Completely another thing. > Google Cloud has been a gigantic investment they've been making for well over a decade now. They're not going to throw away consumer and enterprise trust to train on a bunch of e-mail. Consumers barely trust Google any more these days, not with the frequent stories about arbitrary bans, and corporations shy away from Google Cloud due to the same reason plus the service quality being way lower than AWS.
Lastminutepanic 2y ago
I mean they never stopped "training on your email"... I'm sure they started of (back when they may not have had the code/compute to trawl and model from the body of the email), it was just the metadata they used to help build data for targeted marketing. And are still absolutely using metadata... But yeah, in this specific case, it is way less nefarious. Just one, or both, of Google, and the scientist, selling a new AI product, with a sensationalist, unrealistic story, in a huge, publicly funded, "serious" news outlet. At least when the NYtimes drools down it's chin at some AI vaporware, they may be getting a huge advertising buy, or someone there owns a lot of stock in the company... BBC can't even hide behind "well that's capitalism baby". I will say the prime minister and his red thatcherites have been obsessed with becoming a player in the AI industry... If you want a conspiracy theory i think is more likely haha.

jsiepkes 2y ago

Can you prove they don't? Right now Google is losing in the AI space. I wouldn't be surprised if they went with "it's better to ask for forgiveness later than permission upfront".

crazygringo 2y ago
Look at all their legal cost contracts like terms of service. Then also consider how all of their enterprise customers would switch to MS/AWS in a heartbeat if they found out Google was training on their private, proprietary data. Google Cloud has been a gigantic investment they've been making for well over a decade now. They're not going to throw away consumer and enterprise trust to train on a bunch of e-mail.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > Then also consider how all of their enterprise customers would switch to MS/AWS in a heartbeat if they found out Google was training on their private, proprietary data. Enterprise customers are one thing, but private customers of ordinary Gmail? Completely another thing. > Google Cloud has been a gigantic investment they've been making for well over a decade now. They're not going to throw away consumer and enterprise trust to train on a bunch of e-mail. Consumers barely trust Google any more these days, not with the frequent stories about arbitrary bans, and corporations shy away from Google Cloud due to the same reason plus the service quality being way lower than AWS.

Lastminutepanic 2y ago

I mean they never stopped "training on your email"... I'm sure they started of (back when they may not have had the code/compute to trawl and model from the body of the email), it was just the metadata they used to help build data for targeted marketing. And are still absolutely using metadata... But yeah, in this specific case, it is way less nefarious. Just one, or both, of Google, and the scientist, selling a new AI product, with a sensationalist, unrealistic story, in a huge, publicly funded, "serious" news outlet. At least when the NYtimes drools down it's chin at some AI vaporware, they may be getting a huge advertising buy, or someone there owns a lot of stock in the company... BBC can't even hide behind "well that's capitalism baby". I will say the prime minister and his red thatcherites have been obsessed with becoming a player in the AI industry... If you want a conspiracy theory i think is more likely haha.