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Lets remember these sickos were usually after power, at any cost. The very humans they were supposed to be shepherding were considered an asset to be used. (kin

Lets remember these sickos were usually after power, at any cost. The very humans they were supposed to be shepherding were considered an asset to be used. (kind of like our personal data today, no?) Serf/slave labor was to be used, their souls were just a by product to help control them. (also like today with evangelicals, except for votes.)

gjsman-1000 2y ago
This is a historically inaccurate take. The Middle Ages spanned hundreds of years across countries that had very different views from each other. If you can think of something strange, it probably happened. Just one example: Women might not be able to own property in one town, but can literally vote alongside princes in another (abbesses in Medieval Germany). Stereotypes are rarely directly applicable to the whole period, any more than me digging up a stereotype of an 1850s Californian would be applicable today. Secondly though, it downplays the likelihood that the majority of priests, bishops, and cardinals, did labor in good faith and, at least on paper, viewed the rules imposed as equally applicable to themselves. Whether they followed them or not, even the serf believed God would avenge. I would say a more accurate comparison for the nuanced authority and love-hate relationship might be our modern police.
- bloomingeek 2y ago
  <priests, bishops, and cardinals, did labor in good faith> Indulgences, crusades, excommunication, infallibility of the popes and only God knows what else. These are not stereotypes, they are facts. The belief that God would avenge is a Biblical fact, all the others was pure fantasy, used as controlling tools. That is history.
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Yeah, yeah, thanks for announcing your Protestantism as the definitely historically accurate opinion.
    - bloomingeek 2y ago
      Don't be offended, protestant atrocities are well documented. (Luther and Calvin and others have a lot of blood on their hands , to be sure.) Documented history, just like the catholic history, both of which are not opinions at all. Facing reality is never easy, just necessary for avoiding future calamities. Here in the states, we avoid truthful history all the time, hopefully not to an eventual disaster.

gjsman-1000 2y ago

This is a historically inaccurate take. The Middle Ages spanned hundreds of years across countries that had very different views from each other. If you can think of something strange, it probably happened. Just one example: Women might not be able to own property in one town, but can literally vote alongside princes in another (abbesses in Medieval Germany). Stereotypes are rarely directly applicable to the whole period, any more than me digging up a stereotype of an 1850s Californian would be applicable today. Secondly though, it downplays the likelihood that the majority of priests, bishops, and cardinals, did labor in good faith and, at least on paper, viewed the rules imposed as equally applicable to themselves. Whether they followed them or not, even the serf believed God would avenge. I would say a more accurate comparison for the nuanced authority and love-hate relationship might be our modern police.

bloomingeek 2y ago
<priests, bishops, and cardinals, did labor in good faith> Indulgences, crusades, excommunication, infallibility of the popes and only God knows what else. These are not stereotypes, they are facts. The belief that God would avenge is a Biblical fact, all the others was pure fantasy, used as controlling tools. That is history.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  Yeah, yeah, thanks for announcing your Protestantism as the definitely historically accurate opinion.
  - bloomingeek 2y ago
    Don't be offended, protestant atrocities are well documented. (Luther and Calvin and others have a lot of blood on their hands , to be sure.) Documented history, just like the catholic history, both of which are not opinions at all. Facing reality is never easy, just necessary for avoiding future calamities. Here in the states, we avoid truthful history all the time, hopefully not to an eventual disaster.