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Sure you do. The poster was polite, got an extremely rude response, and has no obligation to be polite afterwards. Airing their shit out is a disclosure of a v
by prododev 2y ago
Sure you do. The poster was polite, got an extremely rude response, and has no obligation to be polite afterwards.
Airing their shit out is a disclosure of a vulnerability, and it's important to do. Typically you reach out to say, "how would you prefer I do this?" And work through a common understanding. The company flipped the bird, so it got aired very publicly.
- DangitBobby 2y agoI can call myself a bicycle but I don't have any wheels. Their behavior when things don't go their way belies their initial "politeness". When the transaction didn't go how they wanted, they pulled the trigger on being a dick, publicly. That is a much worse offense that an impolite email. If this were a coworker or a contractor, it would color all of my interactions with them going forward.
- grayhatter 2y ago> they pulled the trigger on being a dick, publicly. That is a much worse offense that an impolite email. brain dead take; the article was impolite, the email was an overt threat by an impotent exec *in response to someone trying to help*! Dang it bobby, it's not worse to respond to respond to asshattery (the email) with irreverent sunlight (the article). I also wouldn't call you a bicycle because you're not going anywhere with this attitude. The CEO got a gift, and the author got a middle finger. No matter what happens after, the CEO without a doubt shot first. And shot someone just trying to help. He can get fucked, and anyone defending him can join in too.
- DangitBobby 2y agoI'm not defending him so much as advocating for understanding, grace, transparency, and de-escalation. You of course are welcome to conduct yourself in the ways that you see fit.
- grayhatter 2y ago> I'm not defending him so much as ... Nah, it's clear to me that you're defending the CEO, and blaming the researcher. In a manner that's as you state is just my opinion, is inverse from what justice would be.
- DangitBobby 2y agoWild how I can state my intentions and then someone would just not believe me. But seriously, it's not possible for me to frame how the researcher could improve future probability of success without framing it from the CEOs perspective. To do that I must recognize he is a human person with his own internal motivations for his behaviors, which likely are not so much monstrous as childish.
- grayhatter 2y agoYour other comments across the larger topic refute your claimed good intentions. It's not that wild that no one would believe you, when you contradict yourself.
- DangitBobby 2y agoOkay.
- DangitBobby 2y agoMy thoughts on the matter may have evolved over time while interacting with other people in the thread. While I do still believe it could have been an attempt at blackmail, I think it most likely was not, even though the researcher clearly must have downloaded the entire database ahead of time based on the chronology presented. In that case, I can see how I have apparently contradicted myself. But I can assure you, I am not acting in bad faith.
- grayhatter 2y agoI never thought you were acting in bad faith. My assumption was that you were gaslit like every other non-security person has been, where you were willing to shoot the messenger (the researcher) instead of the person creating the problem (the CEO). My problem wasn't that you were lied to, my only problem was that you were repeating a common lie that I think needs to die. People operating in bad faith give up or hide when they notice their position is weakening, people working in good faith respond, and acknowledge the weaknesses in their ideas. Like you are doing.