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It'll die out and people will remember that 9 years of Liberal rule has destroyed our quality of life and we've lost ground to all our peer countries...

asacrowflies 2y ago
You really think Canadian will roll over sovereignty so easily!? I think not.
- dismalaf 2y ago
  Sovereignty? There is no Canadian party that supports joining the US. If you think there is then you've really been drinking the Kool-Aid... Edit - To add to this, read Carney's book or listen to his various speeches prior to him starting this political run... Carney doesn't believe in nations, wants to pursue a globalist future, he's been in Trudeau's ear for years and Trudeau's "post-nationalism" is very much something Carney believes in. But yeah, sure, Carney now decides he's a nationalist...
  - asacrowflies 2y ago
    I didn't say that. It is the USA making the threats. This is causing a huge sudden swing in polls. You seem to think this momentum will "die out" why would Canadians begin to care less about sovereignty as time goes on?
    - dismalaf 2y ago
      Implying sovereignty is an issue at all is implying that one party cares more about it than the other... This is a popular leftist talking point at the moment but it's far from the truth and as more information about both parties' and leaders' beliefs is disseminated yes, the momentum will die out.
      - asacrowflies 2y ago
        It's very obvious the constituents feel like one party values the issue more than another as the polls are showing??? Not sure what your trying to say here I feel the goalpost keeps moving...
      - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
        The President of the United States of America has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. He calls the Prime Minister of Canada the "governor of Canada." He refuses to rule out the use of force or massive economic coercion. He's repeated this over and over again, and when asked if he's serious, he says he is. This isn't a "leftist talking point." It's the President of the US making open threats, and Canadians are taking those threats seriously.
        dismalaf 2y ago
        Yes, I'm aware of all of this. What you people don't seem to comprehend is that every political party in Canada has the same views on this matter. If every party has the same policy in regards to an issue, it's not an election issue. By claiming it is you're claiming one party isn't going to defend Canadian sovereignty.
boringg 2y ago
True question is how cons respond. Agree could just be a short bounce but I think cons have been considered MAGA lite so gen public eyes them suspiciously.
- dismalaf 2y ago
  MAGA? It's funny how inundated Canada is with leftist propaganda. Poilievre is barely right of centre... We had far more restrictive laws on immigration and the LGBT community in the days of the Chretien-Martin Liberal government for example...
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    The social policy Obama campaigned with in 2008 would get him called a fascist in 2024.
  - boringg 2y ago
    I'm not telling you any of my political preferences I'm pointing out how it will play out in the national campaign and how it has already roiled the polls. Canadians don't trust him to support the Canadian interests at least at the current moment - it's a big problem for him and the national conservatives.
  - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
    Poilievre very consciously mimics Trump in slogans, style, etc. Just look at this picture and tell me it doesn't remind you of something: [0]. The question is whether Canadians want to elect someone who models himself after Trump at a time when Trump is threatening to end Canada's existence as a sovereign nation. 0. https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2137961/poilievre-conservatives-message https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2137961/poilievre-co...
    - dismalaf 2y ago
      It's Poilievre in front of Canadian flags... Every leader of every country stands in front of their country's flag... I guess it would be jarring to Canadians, who have a current leader who called us a post-national state and said immigrants are more Canadian than people born in Canada...

asacrowflies 2y ago

You really think Canadian will roll over sovereignty so easily!? I think not.

dismalaf 2y ago
Sovereignty? There is no Canadian party that supports joining the US. If you think there is then you've really been drinking the Kool-Aid... Edit - To add to this, read Carney's book or listen to his various speeches prior to him starting this political run... Carney doesn't believe in nations, wants to pursue a globalist future, he's been in Trudeau's ear for years and Trudeau's "post-nationalism" is very much something Carney believes in. But yeah, sure, Carney now decides he's a nationalist...
- asacrowflies 2y ago
  I didn't say that. It is the USA making the threats. This is causing a huge sudden swing in polls. You seem to think this momentum will "die out" why would Canadians begin to care less about sovereignty as time goes on?
  - dismalaf 2y ago
    Implying sovereignty is an issue at all is implying that one party cares more about it than the other... This is a popular leftist talking point at the moment but it's far from the truth and as more information about both parties' and leaders' beliefs is disseminated yes, the momentum will die out.
    - asacrowflies 2y ago
      It's very obvious the constituents feel like one party values the issue more than another as the polls are showing??? Not sure what your trying to say here I feel the goalpost keeps moving...
    - DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
      The President of the United States of America has repeatedly threatened to annex Canada. He calls the Prime Minister of Canada the "governor of Canada." He refuses to rule out the use of force or massive economic coercion. He's repeated this over and over again, and when asked if he's serious, he says he is. This isn't a "leftist talking point." It's the President of the US making open threats, and Canadians are taking those threats seriously.
      - dismalaf 2y ago
        Yes, I'm aware of all of this. What you people don't seem to comprehend is that every political party in Canada has the same views on this matter. If every party has the same policy in regards to an issue, it's not an election issue. By claiming it is you're claiming one party isn't going to defend Canadian sovereignty.

boringg 2y ago

True question is how cons respond. Agree could just be a short bounce but I think cons have been considered MAGA lite so gen public eyes them suspiciously.

dismalaf 2y ago
MAGA? It's funny how inundated Canada is with leftist propaganda. Poilievre is barely right of centre... We had far more restrictive laws on immigration and the LGBT community in the days of the Chretien-Martin Liberal government for example...
- lupusreal 2y ago
  The social policy Obama campaigned with in 2008 would get him called a fascist in 2024.
- boringg 2y ago
  I'm not telling you any of my political preferences I'm pointing out how it will play out in the national campaign and how it has already roiled the polls. Canadians don't trust him to support the Canadian interests at least at the current moment - it's a big problem for him and the national conservatives.
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
  Poilievre very consciously mimics Trump in slogans, style, etc. Just look at this picture and tell me it doesn't remind you of something: [0]. The question is whether Canadians want to elect someone who models himself after Trump at a time when Trump is threatening to end Canada's existence as a sovereign nation. 0. https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2137961/poilievre-conservatives-message https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2137961/poilievre-co...
  - dismalaf 2y ago
    It's Poilievre in front of Canadian flags... Every leader of every country stands in front of their country's flag... I guess it would be jarring to Canadians, who have a current leader who called us a post-national state and said immigrants are more Canadian than people born in Canada...