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But this is what we wanted? It drives business to have people unhappy and shopping? It allows for the algos to divide and conquer. Why do we pretend this is not

But this is what we wanted? It drives business to have people unhappy and shopping? It allows for the algos to divide and conquer. Why do we pretend this is not intentional? This is the expected outcome, this is wanted and not random walked towards. Divide and conquer, eat the society that brought you into existence, fade away, as societies unaffected by mind hacks take its place..

pjerem 2y ago
> But this is what we wanted? Define "we". I mean, you are right, but it's not the individual choice of the majority of people.
- throw3452away 2y ago
  The we is capitalism I suppose. We voted for this, we chose this, we continue to choose it. Kind of like walking blindly into this unfortunate predicament a lot of people find themsevles in. Yeah, it's not necessarily a single action any single individual made, but the collective direction we as a society went. We're frogs boiling ourselves literally and figuratively; question is are we going to jump out or do nothing.
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- VieEnCode 2y ago
  'We' being techno-utopian, libertarian startup types I guess. Which isn't that unfair on this site.
- HPsquared 2y ago
  "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Propaganda (1928)
michaelt 2y ago
> But this is what we wanted? [...] Why do we pretend this is not intentional? I don't think in 2005 anyone expected a global, free communications network, video calling and a camera in every pocket to lead to an "epidemic of loneliness" - quite the opposite in fact. Facebook: "Facebook's mission is to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together." [1] Youtube: "Our mission is to give everyone a voice and show them the world. We believe that everyone deserves to have a voice, and that the world is a better place when we listen, share and build community through our stories." [2] Reddit: "focused on our north star of bringing community and belonging to everyone in the world" [3] Tiktok: "Our mission is to inspire creativity and bring joy." [4] Apple: "We believe that business, at its best, serves the public good, empowers people around the world, and binds us together as never before." [5] Instagram: "Where everyday moments bring friends together" [6] Snapchat: "empowers people to express themselves, live in the moment, learn about the world, and have fun together. It's the easiest and fastest way to communicate the full range of human emotions with your friends" [7] Discord: "Discord is about giving people the power to create space to find belonging in their lives. We want to make it easier for you to talk regularly with the people you care about. We want you to build genuine relationships with your friends and communities close to home or around the world." [8] [1] https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1655178611435493.1073741828.1633466236940064 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1655178611435493.1... [2] https://about.youtube/ https://about.youtube/ [3] https://redditinc.com/blog/sharing-our-company-values https://redditinc.com/blog/sharing-our-company-values [4] https://www.tiktok.com/about?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/about?lang=en [5] https://investor.apple.com/our_values/default.aspx https://investor.apple.com/our_values/default.aspx [6] https://about.instagram.com/about-us https://about.instagram.com/about-us [7] https://investor.snap.com/about-snap/default.aspx https://investor.snap.com/about-snap/default.aspx [8] https://discord.com/company https://discord.com/company
- watwut 2y ago
  Is there any reason to see corporate statements as a true expressions of what their actual goals are? And even when they are aspirational goals, that they will actually work toward that?
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pjerem 2y ago

> But this is what we wanted? Define "we". I mean, you are right, but it's not the individual choice of the majority of people.

throw3452away 2y ago
The we is capitalism I suppose. We voted for this, we chose this, we continue to choose it. Kind of like walking blindly into this unfortunate predicament a lot of people find themsevles in. Yeah, it's not necessarily a single action any single individual made, but the collective direction we as a society went. We're frogs boiling ourselves literally and figuratively; question is are we going to jump out or do nothing.
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VieEnCode 2y ago
'We' being techno-utopian, libertarian startup types I guess. Which isn't that unfair on this site.
HPsquared 2y ago
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Propaganda (1928)

michaelt 2y ago

> But this is what we wanted? [...] Why do we pretend this is not intentional? I don't think in 2005 anyone expected a global, free communications network, video calling and a camera in every pocket to lead to an "epidemic of loneliness" - quite the opposite in fact. Facebook: "Facebook's mission is to give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together." [1] Youtube: "Our mission is to give everyone a voice and show them the world. We believe that everyone deserves to have a voice, and that the world is a better place when we listen, share and build community through our stories." [2] Reddit: "focused on our north star of bringing community and belonging to everyone in the world" [3] Tiktok: "Our mission is to inspire creativity and bring joy." [4] Apple: "We believe that business, at its best, serves the public good, empowers people around the world, and binds us together as never before." [5] Instagram: "Where everyday moments bring friends together" [6] Snapchat: "empowers people to express themselves, live in the moment, learn about the world, and have fun together. It's the easiest and fastest way to communicate the full range of human emotions with your friends" [7] Discord: "Discord is about giving people the power to create space to find belonging in their lives. We want to make it easier for you to talk regularly with the people you care about. We want you to build genuine relationships with your friends and communities close to home or around the world." [8] [1] https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1655178611435493.1073741828.1633466236940064 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1655178611435493.1... [2] https://about.youtube/ https://about.youtube/ [3] https://redditinc.com/blog/sharing-our-company-values https://redditinc.com/blog/sharing-our-company-values [4] https://www.tiktok.com/about?lang=en https://www.tiktok.com/about?lang=en [5] https://investor.apple.com/our_values/default.aspx https://investor.apple.com/our_values/default.aspx [6] https://about.instagram.com/about-us https://about.instagram.com/about-us [7] https://investor.snap.com/about-snap/default.aspx https://investor.snap.com/about-snap/default.aspx [8] https://discord.com/company https://discord.com/company

watwut 2y ago
Is there any reason to see corporate statements as a true expressions of what their actual goals are? And even when they are aspirational goals, that they will actually work toward that?
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