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You know how in the first half of 20th century there was this big scare about overpopulation? There were books, films, studies, and lot of that leaked into the

You know how in the first half of 20th century there was this big scare about overpopulation? There were books, films, studies, and lot of that leaked into the medical profession, often with a eugenics involved. Lot of experts, and highly educated people, believed that it is necessary to stem the number of births, in interest of the ignorant masses. This included Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood in US.[1] To make things worse. Supreme court legalized forced sterilization with Buck v. Bell in 1927.[2] All in line with consensus of medical professionals. It didn't really get overturned by the way, just sort of overridden by later laws. Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. Entire world embraced this, because it was seen as modern and progressive.[3] And medical professionals, trained to believe it, performed procedures for decades, even after the mores have changed, basically out of habit. And it's still happening today, in UK for example, it's still perfectly legal for state to enforce sterilization.[4] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics [2] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep274/usrep274200/usrep274200.pdf https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep... [3] https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation.pdf https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969 Edit: I forgot to add article specifically about native americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...

mschuster91 2y ago
> Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. It also happened in Greenland [1], Israel [2] (against Ethiopian Jews, the effect of this has been called into question [3]) or in Russia [4]. Homo homini lupus est. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-... [3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 [4] https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age-forced-sterilizations-claimed-at-russian-institution-a71840 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age...
- drysine 2y ago
  > Add some racism into this mix >> or in Russia That's not correct. The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. It created a nationwide scandal when became public and was under investigation by law enforcement authorities. Nothing racist, nothing systemic.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. Unfortunately, asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common and sad thing to happen...
    - drysine 2y ago
      >asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common Citation needed
      - defrost 2y ago
        Pick a country, pick a time frame, it varies. _very_ common might be a stretch, but that it happens at all is a problem. For interest, in California in the USofA, By 1979, long after the peak of the 1930s eugenics movement, California sterilized an estimated 20,000 people, deemed unfit to reproduce, without their consent. The practice ended in 1979 for state hospitals and in 2010 for state prisons, when eugenics laws were finally repealed. An exposé from The Center for Investigative Reporting in 2013 revealed 148 women were sterilized without proper approval from 2006 to 2010, and a separate state audit found that the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation oversaw the illegal sterilization of 144 inmates from 2005 to 2013. ( from: https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/03/forced-sterilization-california/ https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/03/force...) shows that eugenic type sterilization procedures continued after the laws allowing them were repealed in 2010. Yes, I realise that "the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation" isn't an "asylum" but given the nature of modern US mental health treatment there is now considerable overlap. What is more recent and alledged to be ongoing is unconsented abortions and sterilizations in ICE centres, eg: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abuse-is-rampant-in-the-immigration-detention-system https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abu... ( there are multiple ACLU articles about different aspects of this ).

mschuster91 2y ago

> Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. It also happened in Greenland [1], Israel [2] (against Ethiopian Jews, the effect of this has been called into question [3]) or in Russia [4]. Homo homini lupus est. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-... [3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 [4] https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age-forced-sterilizations-claimed-at-russian-institution-a71840 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age...

drysine 2y ago
> Add some racism into this mix >> or in Russia That's not correct. The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. It created a nationwide scandal when became public and was under investigation by law enforcement authorities. Nothing racist, nothing systemic.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. Unfortunately, asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common and sad thing to happen...
  - drysine 2y ago
    >asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common Citation needed
    - defrost 2y ago
      Pick a country, pick a time frame, it varies. _very_ common might be a stretch, but that it happens at all is a problem. For interest, in California in the USofA, By 1979, long after the peak of the 1930s eugenics movement, California sterilized an estimated 20,000 people, deemed unfit to reproduce, without their consent. The practice ended in 1979 for state hospitals and in 2010 for state prisons, when eugenics laws were finally repealed. An exposé from The Center for Investigative Reporting in 2013 revealed 148 women were sterilized without proper approval from 2006 to 2010, and a separate state audit found that the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation oversaw the illegal sterilization of 144 inmates from 2005 to 2013. ( from: https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/03/forced-sterilization-california/ https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/03/force...) shows that eugenic type sterilization procedures continued after the laws allowing them were repealed in 2010. Yes, I realise that "the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation" isn't an "asylum" but given the nature of modern US mental health treatment there is now considerable overlap. What is more recent and alledged to be ongoing is unconsented abortions and sterilizations in ICE centres, eg: https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abuse-is-rampant-in-the-immigration-detention-system https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/reproductive-abu... ( there are multiple ACLU articles about different aspects of this ).