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I want some kind of LLM for every rival civ so we can have natural language diplomacy

internet_points 2y ago
Asked 4o: Translate into Shawnee: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights" Translating a specific sentence like "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights" into Shawnee can be challenging without expertise in the language or input from a fluent speaker, due to nuances in meaning and the language's polysynthetic nature. Furthermore, high-quality and detailed language resources or native speakers are often necessary for accurate translation, considering contextual and cultural factors. If you need an accurate translation, it might be best to consult resources or individuals specializing in Shawnee, such as language preservation organizations or native speakers involved in language revitalization efforts. These individuals would have the nuanced understanding necessary to convey the meaning appropriately in Shawnee. (And that sentence is from one of the most widely translated documents in existence. Unfortunately it's quite unlikely we'll get a Large LM for Shawnee.)
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  > Nihshanáhkwa nehi neelio ku nitehowski, wa nitho nitanawitshili. Asked a random online translation service [0], I have no idea if this is accurate or if I just insulted someone's mother. The translator service also has the input field labeled "normal language", which is pretty oof. [0] https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/shawnee-translator/ https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/shawnee-translator...
  - pentacent_hq 2y ago
    This "translator" seems to be producing complete gibberish. For the example sentence "The house is red.", it gave me "Nikiki sîhîi.", "Iko nèeki kèya.", and "Kanǫ́kǫ ǩąn ʌpa nǫhǫ." in three subsequent attempts. Now I don't speak Shawnee but it seems highly unlikely that these very different results all correspond to the original sentence in any language. Plus, the few examples of Shawnee I could find online [1] also suggest it's not written with non-Latin characters and diacritics such as were produced by this "translator". [1] e.g. https://shawneelanguage.homestead.com/numbers.html https://shawneelanguage.homestead.com/numbers.html
  - internet_points 2y ago
    nice site, it even has a "Translator Creator" so you can create your own translator of dead languages which haven't been deciphered yet: https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/linear-a-translator/ https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/linear-a-translato... which says the UDHR's first sentence is 𐘧𐘋𐘍𐘑 𐘖𐘊𐘍𐘖 𐘌𐘇𐘍𐘟𐘖𐘔 𐘒𐘊𐘍𐘔𐘉𐘍𐘛 𐘉𐘞𐘍𐘓𐘔 who needs linguists when you can just make shit up
lewispollard 2y ago
It's easy to slap an LLM in there to make contextual conversation with the player, but how do you go from what the LLM says to actual gameplay mechanics? The LLM can come up with basically anything to negotiate a deal with you, but then that deal has to be made explicit from natural language into game mechanics, and that's tricky.

Asked 4o: Translate into Shawnee: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights" Translating a specific sentence like "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights" into Shawnee can be challenging without expertise in the language or input from a fluent speaker, due to nuances in meaning and the language's polysynthetic nature. Furthermore, high-quality and detailed language resources or native speakers are often necessary for accurate translation, considering contextual and cultural factors. If you need an accurate translation, it might be best to consult resources or individuals specializing in Shawnee, such as language preservation organizations or native speakers involved in language revitalization efforts. These individuals would have the nuanced understanding necessary to convey the meaning appropriately in Shawnee. (And that sentence is from one of the most widely translated documents in existence. Unfortunately it's quite unlikely we'll get a Large LM for Shawnee.)

Cthulhu_ 2y ago
> Nihshanáhkwa nehi neelio ku nitehowski, wa nitho nitanawitshili. Asked a random online translation service [0], I have no idea if this is accurate or if I just insulted someone's mother. The translator service also has the input field labeled "normal language", which is pretty oof. [0] https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/shawnee-translator/ https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/shawnee-translator...
- pentacent_hq 2y ago
  This "translator" seems to be producing complete gibberish. For the example sentence "The house is red.", it gave me "Nikiki sîhîi.", "Iko nèeki kèya.", and "Kanǫ́kǫ ǩąn ʌpa nǫhǫ." in three subsequent attempts. Now I don't speak Shawnee but it seems highly unlikely that these very different results all correspond to the original sentence in any language. Plus, the few examples of Shawnee I could find online [1] also suggest it's not written with non-Latin characters and diacritics such as were produced by this "translator". [1] e.g. https://shawneelanguage.homestead.com/numbers.html https://shawneelanguage.homestead.com/numbers.html
- internet_points 2y ago
  nice site, it even has a "Translator Creator" so you can create your own translator of dead languages which haven't been deciphered yet: https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/linear-a-translator/ https://anythingtranslate.com/translators/linear-a-translato... which says the UDHR's first sentence is 𐘧𐘋𐘍𐘑 𐘖𐘊𐘍𐘖 𐘌𐘇𐘍𐘟𐘖𐘔 𐘒𐘊𐘍𐘔𐘉𐘍𐘛 𐘉𐘞𐘍𐘓𐘔 who needs linguists when you can just make shit up

lewispollard 2y ago

It's easy to slap an LLM in there to make contextual conversation with the player, but how do you go from what the LLM says to actual gameplay mechanics? The LLM can come up with basically anything to negotiate a deal with you, but then that deal has to be made explicit from natural language into game mechanics, and that's tricky.