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> Take a break. Take a kitkat. It's going to fine. Tell that to people in Ukraine who were invaded by Russia. They were provided support by the US. Our leade

> Take a break. Take a kitkat. It's going to fine. Tell that to people in Ukraine who were invaded by Russia. They were provided support by the US. Our leader and Musk are now blaming the victim and want them to surrender to the invader. Or pay $500B for US to give them additional support. This is what we have come down to. People are dying and we are trying to shake them down like a mafia. Even mafia bosses are not that heartless. Tell the Ukrainian kids hiding under desks from incoming missiles to take a break and take a kitkat.

ReptileMan 2y ago
US have absolutely no obligations towards Ukraine. It may aid or deny aid based on US interests, but Ukraine's are irrelevant. UK has only obligation towards US kids. And US have a long history of shaking down people dying in the trenches - like the Louisiana purchase and Alaska Purchase. And Ukraine is Europe's not US problem anyway.
- TinkersW 2y ago
  It isn't about obligations, it is about the best interest of the US. Which is very clearly not handing everything to Russia for no good reason, and for nothing at all in return.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  The US did bad things in the past... So that excuses them doing more bad things now?
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > And Ukraine is Europe's not US problem anyway. It actually is a problem of the US just as much as it is a problem of Europe. Russia has been financing and steering terrorist organisations across the world, most notably the entire MENA clusterfuck via its proxy Iran, and if Russia isn't stopped in Ukraine, they will escalate in other parts of the world.
- ta1243 2y ago
  Significant amounts of US power and respect comes from its position as a benevolent dictator since ww2. That position is currently being thrown away, and will have consequences. I suspect many Americans don't even realise the benefit they have from such global soft-power, and won't for another decade. 2025 isn't a turning point, the hearts and minds have been on the wane since 2003, but it's likely to be an inflection point.
- verzali 2y ago
  Yes, the United States does have obligations to Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum In exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons, the US, the UK, and Russia guaranteed its security and borders.

ReptileMan 2y ago

US have absolutely no obligations towards Ukraine. It may aid or deny aid based on US interests, but Ukraine's are irrelevant. UK has only obligation towards US kids. And US have a long history of shaking down people dying in the trenches - like the Louisiana purchase and Alaska Purchase. And Ukraine is Europe's not US problem anyway.

TinkersW 2y ago
It isn't about obligations, it is about the best interest of the US. Which is very clearly not handing everything to Russia for no good reason, and for nothing at all in return.
amanaplanacanal 2y ago
The US did bad things in the past... So that excuses them doing more bad things now?
mschuster91 2y ago
> And Ukraine is Europe's not US problem anyway. It actually is a problem of the US just as much as it is a problem of Europe. Russia has been financing and steering terrorist organisations across the world, most notably the entire MENA clusterfuck via its proxy Iran, and if Russia isn't stopped in Ukraine, they will escalate in other parts of the world.
ta1243 2y ago
Significant amounts of US power and respect comes from its position as a benevolent dictator since ww2. That position is currently being thrown away, and will have consequences. I suspect many Americans don't even realise the benefit they have from such global soft-power, and won't for another decade. 2025 isn't a turning point, the hearts and minds have been on the wane since 2003, but it's likely to be an inflection point.
verzali 2y ago
Yes, the United States does have obligations to Ukraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum In exchange for them giving up nuclear weapons, the US, the UK, and Russia guaranteed its security and borders.