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There are still many current issues; eg: the Dakota Access Pipeline was routed to pose a threat to native water supplies and avoid being a threat to non native

There are still many current issues; eg: the Dakota Access Pipeline was routed to pose a threat to native water supplies and avoid being a threat to non native water. There are still native women alive who were given "free sterilisation" (ie unrequired, undeclared and unasked for sterilisation procedures) while having appendixes removed, kidney operations, and straight out made up procedures as an excuse to carry out eugenics ideals of breeding out Indians. IIRC some of those "doctors" are still alive.

throwaway2037 2y ago
> There are still native women alive who were given "free sterilisation" (ie unrequired, undeclared and unasked for sterilisation procedures) I tried to search about this on Google. No recent reputable sources found. Can you share your source?
- clarionbell 2y ago
  You know how in the first half of 20th century there was this big scare about overpopulation? There were books, films, studies, and lot of that leaked into the medical profession, often with a eugenics involved. Lot of experts, and highly educated people, believed that it is necessary to stem the number of births, in interest of the ignorant masses. This included Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood in US.[1] To make things worse. Supreme court legalized forced sterilization with Buck v. Bell in 1927.[2] All in line with consensus of medical professionals. It didn't really get overturned by the way, just sort of overridden by later laws. Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. Entire world embraced this, because it was seen as modern and progressive.[3] And medical professionals, trained to believe it, performed procedures for decades, even after the mores have changed, basically out of habit. And it's still happening today, in UK for example, it's still perfectly legal for state to enforce sterilization.[4] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics [2] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep274/usrep274200/usrep274200.pdf https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep... [3] https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation.pdf https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969 Edit: I forgot to add article specifically about native americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    > Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. It also happened in Greenland [1], Israel [2] (against Ethiopian Jews, the effect of this has been called into question [3]) or in Russia [4]. Homo homini lupus est. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-... [3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 [4] https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age-forced-sterilizations-claimed-at-russian-institution-a71840 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age...
    - drysine 2y ago
      > Add some racism into this mix >> or in Russia That's not correct. The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. It created a nationwide scandal when became public and was under investigation by law enforcement authorities. Nothing racist, nothing systemic.
      - mschuster91 2y ago
        > The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. Unfortunately, asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common and sad thing to happen...
        drysine 2y ago
        >asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common Citation needed
        2y ago
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2022/08/25/an-indigenous-womans-legal-fight-after-forced-sterilization/ https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2022/08/25/an-indige... contains paperwork from a legal case from 1974. Given that a lot of this happened back then, I don't think you'll find any "recent reputable" sources, but are you willing to accept older material? There's also https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2129&context=honors_etd https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2129&...
- defrost 2y ago
  As others have pointed out this was a practice that continued into the 1960s and 1970s .. hence my statement that "some women that had these procedures w/out their consent are still alive" and that "some of the practitioners are also". In the 1960s and 1970s, the Indian Health Service (IHS) and collaborating physicians sustained a practice of performing sterilizations on Native American women, in many cases without the free and informed consent of their patients. In some cases, women were misled into believing that the sterilization procedure was reversible ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...
  - throwaway2037 2y ago
    > are still alive I misread this part. You are absolutely right. I thought you were saying recently (women under 30).
    - defrost 2y ago
      No drama, easy mistake to make. I would point out, though, that any child sexual abuse happening right now, any sly sterilisations going on today is likely to remained buried for a couple of decades .. just going by a century or so of history on this type of thing. Reporting of shitty behaviour is getting better and more immediate in the digital age, which gives us hope .. but lack of current reporting isn't always evidence of lack of current activity.
ptsneves 2y ago
This still does not excuse punishing third parties to the facts you mention. By that logic we can cheat and exploit Germans, including people not alive during the holocaust, because there are still victims alive. Collective punishment is against the Geneva convention. What times we live in...

throwaway2037 2y ago

> There are still native women alive who were given "free sterilisation" (ie unrequired, undeclared and unasked for sterilisation procedures) I tried to search about this on Google. No recent reputable sources found. Can you share your source?

clarionbell 2y ago
You know how in the first half of 20th century there was this big scare about overpopulation? There were books, films, studies, and lot of that leaked into the medical profession, often with a eugenics involved. Lot of experts, and highly educated people, believed that it is necessary to stem the number of births, in interest of the ignorant masses. This included Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood in US.[1] To make things worse. Supreme court legalized forced sterilization with Buck v. Bell in 1927.[2] All in line with consensus of medical professionals. It didn't really get overturned by the way, just sort of overridden by later laws. Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. Entire world embraced this, because it was seen as modern and progressive.[3] And medical professionals, trained to believe it, performed procedures for decades, even after the mores have changed, basically out of habit. And it's still happening today, in UK for example, it's still perfectly legal for state to enforce sterilization.[4] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics [2] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep274/usrep274200/usrep274200.pdf https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep... [3] https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation.pdf https://www.ochrance.cz/uploads-import/ENGLISH/Sterilisation... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-31128969 Edit: I forgot to add article specifically about native americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > Add some racism into this mix, and guess who will get hurt the hardest? This didn't just happen in America. It also happened in Greenland [1], Israel [2] (against Ethiopian Jews, the effect of this has been called into question [3]) or in Russia [4]. Homo homini lupus est. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66990670 [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-... [3] https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554851 [4] https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age-forced-sterilizations-claimed-at-russian-institution-a71840 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/10/23/years-of-stone-age...
  - drysine 2y ago
    > Add some racism into this mix >> or in Russia That's not correct. The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. It created a nationwide scandal when became public and was under investigation by law enforcement authorities. Nothing racist, nothing systemic.
    - mschuster91 2y ago
      > The article describes a case where over the course of ten years more than a dozen of Russian women living in a facility for people with mental development issues were tricked into consenting to sterilization. Unfortunately, asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common and sad thing to happen...
      - drysine 2y ago
        >asylum inmates getting sterilized is a very common Citation needed
        2y ago
Cthulhu_ 2y ago
https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2022/08/25/an-indigenous-womans-legal-fight-after-forced-sterilization/ https://text-message.blogs.archives.gov/2022/08/25/an-indige... contains paperwork from a legal case from 1974. Given that a lot of this happened back then, I don't think you'll find any "recent reputable" sources, but are you willing to accept older material? There's also https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2129&context=honors_etd https://repository.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2129&...
defrost 2y ago
As others have pointed out this was a practice that continued into the 1960s and 1970s .. hence my statement that "some women that had these procedures w/out their consent are still alive" and that "some of the practitioners are also". In the 1960s and 1970s, the Indian Health Service (IHS) and collaborating physicians sustained a practice of performing sterilizations on Native American women, in many cases without the free and informed consent of their patients. In some cases, women were misled into believing that the sterilization procedure was reversible ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_Americ...
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  > are still alive I misread this part. You are absolutely right. I thought you were saying recently (women under 30).
  - defrost 2y ago
    No drama, easy mistake to make. I would point out, though, that any child sexual abuse happening right now, any sly sterilisations going on today is likely to remained buried for a couple of decades .. just going by a century or so of history on this type of thing. Reporting of shitty behaviour is getting better and more immediate in the digital age, which gives us hope .. but lack of current reporting isn't always evidence of lack of current activity.

ptsneves 2y ago

This still does not excuse punishing third parties to the facts you mention. By that logic we can cheat and exploit Germans, including people not alive during the holocaust, because there are still victims alive. Collective punishment is against the Geneva convention. What times we live in...