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Do you believe that because of the circumstances you mentioned, people shouldn't necessarily go to prison even if they murder someone?

meristohm 2y ago
In many cultures, exile or retribution was the answer to murder, and to prevent things getting so heated, strong and secure family and community bonds go a long way. American prisons (I'm American, and also don't know much about non-US prisons) continue to be a great way to take advantage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution and thus continue to benefit from slave labor. My military uniform was made by enslaved people, for example. I'm with Angela Davis and numerous other abolitionists on this topic.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  What would exile look like? where would they be sent? It is hard to imagine another country taking them, and any no-mans land the US establishes would likely be at least as hellish as the prison system. Do we just keep dumping them on some island to Battle Royale/ Hunger games? is that more humane?
_heimdall 2y ago
If we can't safely imprison people, absolutely. Do you believe that someone who committed murder deserves to be held against their will in an unsafe environment? My point isn't that prisons must be completely safe and nothing could ever go wrong. They should, though, be on par with the relative safety of the world outside prison walls.
- pixxel 2y ago
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- beretguy 2y ago
  > Do you believe that someone who committed murder deserves to be held against their will in an unsafe environment? Absolutely. Give them what they want. Give them a taste of their own medicine. If they don't want to be civilized - don't give them civility.
- bitshiftfaced 2y ago
  The hazard rate of a violent act is much higher among violent offenders, and it would be inhumane to put everyone in solitary confinement, even if you could afford it. Therefore, a prison containing violent offenders will never be as safe as the overall outside population.

meristohm 2y ago

In many cultures, exile or retribution was the answer to murder, and to prevent things getting so heated, strong and secure family and community bonds go a long way. American prisons (I'm American, and also don't know much about non-US prisons) continue to be a great way to take advantage of the 13th Amendment to the Constitution and thus continue to benefit from slave labor. My military uniform was made by enslaved people, for example. I'm with Angela Davis and numerous other abolitionists on this topic.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
What would exile look like? where would they be sent? It is hard to imagine another country taking them, and any no-mans land the US establishes would likely be at least as hellish as the prison system. Do we just keep dumping them on some island to Battle Royale/ Hunger games? is that more humane?

_heimdall 2y ago

If we can't safely imprison people, absolutely. Do you believe that someone who committed murder deserves to be held against their will in an unsafe environment? My point isn't that prisons must be completely safe and nothing could ever go wrong. They should, though, be on par with the relative safety of the world outside prison walls.

pixxel 2y ago
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beretguy 2y ago
> Do you believe that someone who committed murder deserves to be held against their will in an unsafe environment? Absolutely. Give them what they want. Give them a taste of their own medicine. If they don't want to be civilized - don't give them civility.
bitshiftfaced 2y ago
The hazard rate of a violent act is much higher among violent offenders, and it would be inhumane to put everyone in solitary confinement, even if you could afford it. Therefore, a prison containing violent offenders will never be as safe as the overall outside population.