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The difference is that a standup conveys information to other people who can use it, and it’s not as an HR measurement of job performance. You don’t invite stra

by acdha 2y ago

The difference is that a standup conveys information to other people who can use it, and it’s not as an HR measurement of job performance. You don’t invite strangers from other departments to your standup meeting and if you’re worried about someone slacking you’d have the context to look at what they’re actually doing (“he said his code was compiling all week but only made two builds?”). This is frustrating if you actually value efficiency. There’s an alternate universe where DOGE was doing stuff like collecting people’s blockers and looking for common complaints (“everyone says it’s too much hassle to get office supplies, we could streamline that“), or making sure that time is tracked at the project / task level so you could measure the true cost of a particular activity, etc. This not only isn't useful but it also taints the name of government efficiency by associating it with political purges.

zimpenfish 2y ago
> “he said his code was compiling all week but only made two builds?” I've worked at places where you were lucky to get one fully tested build a day and those weren't hugely complex systems. Wouldn't surprise me if places existed where two builds a week was possible.
- acdha 2y ago
  That’s the importance of context: assuming that wasn’t the turn of the century, someone who actually works there would be able to tell whether that’s a credible claim. Someone at OPM getting a million messages from other agencies wouldn’t have the knowledge needed to say whether that’s plausible.
  - zimpenfish 2y ago
    > assuming that wasn’t the turn of the century Within the last 10 years (intentionally vague to spare people shame.) Even where I've been recently, getting 2 fully tested builds a day[0] would sometimes be pushing your luck[1]. [0] Your standard 8 hours. [1] There have been places which were fully test-suite-able on your local machine and that obviously helps speed things up.

by acdha 2y ago

zimpenfish 2y ago

> “he said his code was compiling all week but only made two builds?” I've worked at places where you were lucky to get one fully tested build a day and those weren't hugely complex systems. Wouldn't surprise me if places existed where two builds a week was possible.

acdha 2y ago
That’s the importance of context: assuming that wasn’t the turn of the century, someone who actually works there would be able to tell whether that’s a credible claim. Someone at OPM getting a million messages from other agencies wouldn’t have the knowledge needed to say whether that’s plausible.
- zimpenfish 2y ago
  > assuming that wasn’t the turn of the century Within the last 10 years (intentionally vague to spare people shame.) Even where I've been recently, getting 2 fully tested builds a day[0] would sometimes be pushing your luck[1]. [0] Your standard 8 hours. [1] There have been places which were fully test-suite-able on your local machine and that obviously helps speed things up.