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It's a bit premature to call it an alliance. So far there have only been talks. > trying to turn Ukraine into basically colony (by demanding their resources fo

by Axsuul 2y ago

It's a bit premature to call it an alliance. So far there have only been talks. > trying to turn Ukraine into basically colony (by demanding their resources forever) Keep in mind it was Ukraine that proposed the idea of offering their resources back in October 2024[0] 0. https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/zelenskyys-victory-plan-ukraine-makes-sense-it-has-little-chance-being-implemented https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/zelenskyys-victory-plan-ukr...

dralley 2y ago
>Keep in mind it was Ukraine that proposed the idea of offering their resources back in October 2024[0] The general idea, sure. They offered that in return for security guarantees or as collateral for continued military aid. That is not what is being offered them by this administration. Instead the administration has chosen the mafia shakedown route. American military aid to Ukraine to date amounts to around $100 billion dollars (and we're not talking stacks of cash here but rather the "value" of military hardware, much of which already had an expiration date and was literally designed and built for the Russia-invades-Europe scenario). But Trump is demanding $500 million from Ukraine, and offering zero in return. As of today many concessions have been demanded from Ukraine, but zero concessions have been asked of Russia - much the opposite actually.
- Axsuul 2y ago
  It's not zero in return, why would Ukraine agree to that? Where is your source that it was zero in return? > and we're not talking stacks of cash here but rather the "value" of military hardware, much of which already had an expiration date and was literally designed and built for the Russia-invades-Europe scenario That's not true at all, US has sent billions of financial aid[0]. Compare that to Europe's aid which was majority in the form of loans, which Europe gets to collect interest on based off of frozen Russian assets. 0. https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/
  - dralley 2y ago
    >It's not zero in return, why would Ukraine agree to that? Where is your source that it was zero in return? It is zero in return and that's why Ukraine have not agreed to either of the two versions of the deal. The vast majority of the aid is not financial aid, it's physical hardware.
- 28304283409234 2y ago
  > But Trump is demanding $500 million from Ukraine $500 Billion, right?

by Axsuul 2y ago

dralley 2y ago

>Keep in mind it was Ukraine that proposed the idea of offering their resources back in October 2024[0] The general idea, sure. They offered that in return for security guarantees or as collateral for continued military aid. That is not what is being offered them by this administration. Instead the administration has chosen the mafia shakedown route. American military aid to Ukraine to date amounts to around $100 billion dollars (and we're not talking stacks of cash here but rather the "value" of military hardware, much of which already had an expiration date and was literally designed and built for the Russia-invades-Europe scenario). But Trump is demanding $500 million from Ukraine, and offering zero in return. As of today many concessions have been demanded from Ukraine, but zero concessions have been asked of Russia - much the opposite actually.

Axsuul 2y ago
It's not zero in return, why would Ukraine agree to that? Where is your source that it was zero in return? > and we're not talking stacks of cash here but rather the "value" of military hardware, much of which already had an expiration date and was literally designed and built for the Russia-invades-Europe scenario That's not true at all, US has sent billions of financial aid[0]. Compare that to Europe's aid which was majority in the form of loans, which Europe gets to collect interest on based off of frozen Russian assets. 0. https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/ https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/
- dralley 2y ago
  >It's not zero in return, why would Ukraine agree to that? Where is your source that it was zero in return? It is zero in return and that's why Ukraine have not agreed to either of the two versions of the deal. The vast majority of the aid is not financial aid, it's physical hardware.
28304283409234 2y ago
> But Trump is demanding $500 million from Ukraine $500 Billion, right?