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> Two hours at the Autobahn is just 200-250km Much closer to 300km, unless you’re driving in high traffic. You’ll be able to keep around 140 km/h.

arghwhat 2y ago
Just because you can drive 140km/h doesn't mean you should - ignoring everything else, it's noisy and inefficient in any car. There's also speed limits of 130 down to 80 in many places, which knocks down the average speed.
- Lanolderen 2y ago
  That's a preference thing. I just did a long drive in a van doing 90-100 pretty much the entire trip but on the bike I'm on the speed limit and up to ~240 long term whenever reasonable, in cars usually speed limit up to 200-210 long term. Noise and efficiency be damned, I just want to get off the highway/get where I'm going. On electrics it's ridiculous how quickly the battery gets drained if you don't drive slow though. On a Model 3 4XXhp the charge % falls like a brick at 233. An old Cayenne S lasts longer at 260.. Of course one's a city car and the other kinda meant for long distance but I was surprised to see it lose charge so quickly. If I were to get one I'd have to get used to driving like a truck or my trips will get a lot longer from sitting at chargers.
  - arghwhat 2y ago
    Sorry, but going 210+ km/h on any public road is absolutely idiotic on every level. Not only is it unsafe (no, there is no valid argument to suggest otherwise when mingling with traffic that is driving 130km/h slower or more than you on the same road), but it is also environmentally irresponsible. The fact that someone decides to make this trade-off purely based on their own impatience is the frustrating reason for why cars had to ship with speed limiters in the first place, and why the the autobahn might end up getting global speed limits which may or may not ruin the fun at places like the Nürburgring. And no, the range impact is no surprise nor isolated to electric cars. Even in a diesel polo bluemotion that on a good day can do over 1000 km on a tank, my experience is that spirited highway driving easily takes off 25% of the range, and I wouldn't be surprised if your described driving would leave it with less than 50% of the advertised range.
    - Gareth321 2y ago
      > Sorry, but going 210+ km/h on any public road is absolutely idiotic on every level. Not only is it unsafe (no, there is no valid argument to suggest otherwise when mingling with traffic that is driving 130km/h slower or more than you on the same road), but it is also environmentally irresponsible. You do know we're talking about the Autobahn, right? One of the safest, most well-maintained road networks in the world? It's fine that you prefer to drive slowly on such roads, but many people prefer to drive faster. It sounds like you are well suited for EVs.
      - arghwhat 2y ago
        Yes, I am familiar and have driven the autobahn on multiple occasions, and occasionally at speeds exceeding what we discuss here. It is irrelevant what the road is, or how fast people prefer to drive. It's not a race track, other drivers are not race drivers, the road is not maintained to race track standards, and cars and drivers are not equipped with race safety equipment. Your driving must be able to safely handle a car or truck going 80 swerving in front of you with no prior warning just as you pass it, and at 210 that's equivalent to crashing into a stationary object at 130 km/h (i.e., everyone and their cat dies).
        Gareth321 2y ago
        Most people disagree with you, or the Autobahn would have speed limits. Despite the lack of limits, the Autobahn accounts for about 31% of all traffic in Germany, but only 11% of traffic deaths. It is clearly very safe compared to other roads with speed limits, and you are not basing your fear on the facts, but on your feelings.
    - Lanolderen 2y ago
      Environmentally irresponsible, yeah. Unsafe, depends. It's definitely less safe than going slower. Agree on that. In my eyes,however, "unsafe" depends on traffic, weather, road, vehicle, experience, etc. 200 in a Polo is sketchy, 200 in a clapped out Polo with cheap, old all seasons is an emotional experience, 200 on a bike is the top of 3rd gear, 200 in an M4/911 is about the same. Speed limiters, if we're talkiing about the same implementation (not Volvo being Volvo), came more so as a means of upselling (AMG driver's pack or whatever they called it) and to keep people from doing speeds unsafe even on a closed course in the very long overdrive gears. I'm also not about to go 140 because the Autobahn (+Nordschleife) might get a speed limit. If there's a speed limit added, I'll follow it to the best of my ability but I don't believe I'm being particularly asocial by staying in the left and giving it some chooch when I believe it's safe to do so. I'm not weaving, I flash very, very rarely, on the bike I'll only kill myself most likely, with the cars I'm even more careful with traffic since I can't squeeze by and am much more likely to hurt others in an accident, when doing a top speed run I abort if there's traffic in the next lane, if I'm going out to do one I do so at 2-3AM in bumfuck nowhere.. Anyway, what I meant was that, while I haven't done any scientific testing, it seemed like the Tesla's range was impacted much more by high speed driving than ICEs I've driven despite being very low drag. It was like an old Trailblazer I had where you'd see the fuel arrow start moving ever so slightly when you floored it but with a percentage.

arghwhat 2y ago

Just because you can drive 140km/h doesn't mean you should - ignoring everything else, it's noisy and inefficient in any car. There's also speed limits of 130 down to 80 in many places, which knocks down the average speed.

Lanolderen 2y ago
That's a preference thing. I just did a long drive in a van doing 90-100 pretty much the entire trip but on the bike I'm on the speed limit and up to ~240 long term whenever reasonable, in cars usually speed limit up to 200-210 long term. Noise and efficiency be damned, I just want to get off the highway/get where I'm going. On electrics it's ridiculous how quickly the battery gets drained if you don't drive slow though. On a Model 3 4XXhp the charge % falls like a brick at 233. An old Cayenne S lasts longer at 260.. Of course one's a city car and the other kinda meant for long distance but I was surprised to see it lose charge so quickly. If I were to get one I'd have to get used to driving like a truck or my trips will get a lot longer from sitting at chargers.
- arghwhat 2y ago
  Sorry, but going 210+ km/h on any public road is absolutely idiotic on every level. Not only is it unsafe (no, there is no valid argument to suggest otherwise when mingling with traffic that is driving 130km/h slower or more than you on the same road), but it is also environmentally irresponsible. The fact that someone decides to make this trade-off purely based on their own impatience is the frustrating reason for why cars had to ship with speed limiters in the first place, and why the the autobahn might end up getting global speed limits which may or may not ruin the fun at places like the Nürburgring. And no, the range impact is no surprise nor isolated to electric cars. Even in a diesel polo bluemotion that on a good day can do over 1000 km on a tank, my experience is that spirited highway driving easily takes off 25% of the range, and I wouldn't be surprised if your described driving would leave it with less than 50% of the advertised range.
  - Gareth321 2y ago
    > Sorry, but going 210+ km/h on any public road is absolutely idiotic on every level. Not only is it unsafe (no, there is no valid argument to suggest otherwise when mingling with traffic that is driving 130km/h slower or more than you on the same road), but it is also environmentally irresponsible. You do know we're talking about the Autobahn, right? One of the safest, most well-maintained road networks in the world? It's fine that you prefer to drive slowly on such roads, but many people prefer to drive faster. It sounds like you are well suited for EVs.
    - arghwhat 2y ago
      Yes, I am familiar and have driven the autobahn on multiple occasions, and occasionally at speeds exceeding what we discuss here. It is irrelevant what the road is, or how fast people prefer to drive. It's not a race track, other drivers are not race drivers, the road is not maintained to race track standards, and cars and drivers are not equipped with race safety equipment. Your driving must be able to safely handle a car or truck going 80 swerving in front of you with no prior warning just as you pass it, and at 210 that's equivalent to crashing into a stationary object at 130 km/h (i.e., everyone and their cat dies).
      - Gareth321 2y ago
        Most people disagree with you, or the Autobahn would have speed limits. Despite the lack of limits, the Autobahn accounts for about 31% of all traffic in Germany, but only 11% of traffic deaths. It is clearly very safe compared to other roads with speed limits, and you are not basing your fear on the facts, but on your feelings.
  - Lanolderen 2y ago
    Environmentally irresponsible, yeah. Unsafe, depends. It's definitely less safe than going slower. Agree on that. In my eyes,however, "unsafe" depends on traffic, weather, road, vehicle, experience, etc. 200 in a Polo is sketchy, 200 in a clapped out Polo with cheap, old all seasons is an emotional experience, 200 on a bike is the top of 3rd gear, 200 in an M4/911 is about the same. Speed limiters, if we're talkiing about the same implementation (not Volvo being Volvo), came more so as a means of upselling (AMG driver's pack or whatever they called it) and to keep people from doing speeds unsafe even on a closed course in the very long overdrive gears. I'm also not about to go 140 because the Autobahn (+Nordschleife) might get a speed limit. If there's a speed limit added, I'll follow it to the best of my ability but I don't believe I'm being particularly asocial by staying in the left and giving it some chooch when I believe it's safe to do so. I'm not weaving, I flash very, very rarely, on the bike I'll only kill myself most likely, with the cars I'm even more careful with traffic since I can't squeeze by and am much more likely to hurt others in an accident, when doing a top speed run I abort if there's traffic in the next lane, if I'm going out to do one I do so at 2-3AM in bumfuck nowhere.. Anyway, what I meant was that, while I haven't done any scientific testing, it seemed like the Tesla's range was impacted much more by high speed driving than ICEs I've driven despite being very low drag. It was like an old Trailblazer I had where you'd see the fuel arrow start moving ever so slightly when you floored it but with a percentage.