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> Name Three PETA, GreenPeace and IHH have all been called "terrorist". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused_of_eco-terrorism http://en.w

by ucee054 14y ago

> Name Three PETA, GreenPeace and IHH have all been called "terrorist". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused_of_eco-terrorism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism#Groups_accused_of... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHH_(Turkish_NGO) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHH_(Turkish_NGO) Yeah, GreenPeace kill innocent civilians every day.</sarcasm>

gwern 14y ago
I didn't say called terrorist, I said are terrorist; what laws apply to them? Are they on anyone's watch lists? Are they treated by anyone as terrorists? Greenpeace has disavowed its more violent early days; BTW, the citation in Wikipedia doesn't actually say what you think it says: http://web.archive.org/web/20080311231725/http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20080311231725/http://www.fbi.gov... C-f for 'Greenpeace': > Since 1977, when disaffected members of the ecological preservation group Greenpeace formed the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and attacked commercial fishing operations by cutting drift nets, acts of "eco-terrorism" have occurred around the globe. The FBI defines eco-terrorism as the use or threatened use of violence of a criminal nature against innocent victims or property by an environmentally-oriented, subnational group for environmental-political reasons, or aimed at an audience beyond the target, often of a symbolic nature. So it was 'disaffected members' 40 years ago and the acts themselves only are 'eco-terrorism'. This is not a ringing endorsement of your claim that Greenpeace has been called a terrorist organization. There is no citation for PETA. And people have died in their Greenpeace activities and IHH's activities have led to even more deaths, so if you want to be a stickler about innocent civilians...
- ucee054 14y ago
  I want to be a stickler about logic: "Innocent civilian IHH members have been killed" != "IHH members have killed innocent civilians" "Innocent civilian IHH members have been killed" != "IHH members are terrorists" Stop being ridiculous.

by ucee054 14y ago

gwern 14y ago

I didn't say called terrorist, I said are terrorist; what laws apply to them? Are they on anyone's watch lists? Are they treated by anyone as terrorists? Greenpeace has disavowed its more violent early days; BTW, the citation in Wikipedia doesn't actually say what you think it says: http://web.archive.org/web/20080311231725/http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm http://web.archive.org/web/20080311231725/http://www.fbi.gov... C-f for 'Greenpeace': > Since 1977, when disaffected members of the ecological preservation group Greenpeace formed the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and attacked commercial fishing operations by cutting drift nets, acts of "eco-terrorism" have occurred around the globe. The FBI defines eco-terrorism as the use or threatened use of violence of a criminal nature against innocent victims or property by an environmentally-oriented, subnational group for environmental-political reasons, or aimed at an audience beyond the target, often of a symbolic nature. So it was 'disaffected members' 40 years ago and the acts themselves only are 'eco-terrorism'. This is not a ringing endorsement of your claim that Greenpeace has been called a terrorist organization. There is no citation for PETA. And people have died in their Greenpeace activities and IHH's activities have led to even more deaths, so if you want to be a stickler about innocent civilians...

ucee054 14y ago
I want to be a stickler about logic: "Innocent civilian IHH members have been killed" != "IHH members have killed innocent civilians" "Innocent civilian IHH members have been killed" != "IHH members are terrorists" Stop being ridiculous.