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As a third worlder, this is hilarious. I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at the panic some people are manifesting over the US no longer being the world polic

by masijo 2y ago

As a third worlder, this is hilarious. I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh at the panic some people are manifesting over the US no longer being the world police and involving itself militarily in another continent. I don't like Trump, I really don't, but I hope he continues with this. Sadly he probably won't do the same with Israel though.

watwut 2y ago
US is involving itself. They arw actively supporting Russia and actively threatening Canada. USA is not stepping back, they are acting like an aggressor both against Ukraine and Canada. And against EU those somewhat less so.
throwaway_12321 2y ago
EU people calling US unreliable now? For the last 50 years EU has been doing to Israel what US is doing to EU... Sadly for you, the West will figure itself out.
rwyinuse 2y ago
The US no longer playing world police isn't what's disturbing, it's understandable that they want EU to take care of its defense. The disturbing thing is how the current administration blamed Ukraine for the war, sees Putin's Russia as an ally, and actively wants to destabilize EU by supporting pro-Russian forces inside it. All this is not so hilarious for me, living next to Russia and wondering if they will invade us within next 5-10 years, and whether we will receive any help from abroad when Europe seems to become increasingly pro-Russian. What is happening now is potentially a matter of life and death to us.
- rdm_blackhole 2y ago
  > The US no longer playing world police isn't what's disturbing, it's understandable that they want EU to take care of its defense. I guess this reality has never reached the leaders of the EU apparently. Trump was in power before and also threatened to leave NATO yet the EU countries did not prepare for this at all. They had 4 years of Biden to do so but alas they simply waited and wasted time. > The disturbing thing is how the current administration blamed Ukraine for the war, sees Putin's Russia as an ally, and actively wants to destabilize EU by supporting pro-Russian forces inside it. You find it disturbing because you are missing the forest for the trees. China is now very tightly coupled with Russia and Iran. The biggest threat to US hegemony is not Russia, not by a mile. China has the means, the power and the will to start asserting itself on the global stage. On the other hand Russia struggles to hold on to a 5th of Ukraine. Trump wants to split Russia away from China and is willing to give up on Ukraine in order to make this happen. It's that simple. Russia has huge swaths of raw minerals, fossil fuels, lumber and so on that China needs in order to expand it's economy therefore it makes complete sense to try to slide a wedge between them in order to isolate China. In this game of Geo-politics, Ukraine and the EU are just pawns that can be traded/pushed around because they have barely any weight in the global order. You can be mad about this but if you do you should be mad towards the EU leaders from the last 30 years who instead of building a robust industrial base, sent all their jobs abroad, who instead of building a army that could resist an invasion, relied on the US protection without even reaching the minimum NATO investment threshold year after year. The EU countries made their bed and now they are struggling because most of them are broke, their economies are in the gutter and are slowly crumbling. > All this is not so hilarious for me, living next to Russia and wondering if they will invade us within next 5-10 years, and whether we will receive any help from abroad when Europe seems to become increasingly pro-Russian. What is happening now is potentially a matter of life and death to us. This is a weird take. On one hand Russia, is not even able to conquer the whole of Ukraine but somehow it has the capability to steamroll over all the Baltic states? So which one is it, is Russia a paper tiger or an unstoppable force? Both can't be true at the same time.
  - mopsi 2y ago
    China is now very tightly coupled with Russia and Iran. The biggest threat to US hegemony is not Russia, not by a mile. China has the means, the power and the will to start asserting itself on the global stage. Trump's attitude toward Ukraine does not deter China from actions such as the invasion of Taiwan; it only encourages them. In the last 10 days, Trump has granted Russia a long list of concessions without receiving anything in return. His representative Witkoff couldn't name a single thing during an interview yesterday. Russians are literally wondering if this is some kind of clever trap or if Trump is really this dumb. If Trump does not make a 180 degree turn soon and folds to Russia on Ukraine, then it looks like a rare and highly favorable window of opportunity has opened for China to invade Taiwan. Trump wants to split Russia away from China and is willing to give up on Ukraine in order to make this happen. It's that simple. Russia never cared about China. To them, it's a distant and strange country that they don't understand and have little in common with. Even much less than the US, because they have no outsourced manufacturing there and they are too far behind to have a rivalry in science and technology. Instead, they see the US as the main adversary in the world, because the US stands in the way of conquering Eastern Europe. They are willing to promise anything if that gives them any advantage at the expense of the US and the transatlantic alliance. They will break these promises whenever it suits them. And Trump is currently proving that he is entirely unwilling to demand the fulfillment of previous promises. So for Russia, promising to "split from China" is free. It doesn't mean nor cost anything.
    - int_19h 2y ago
      Russia very much cares about China, since that was historically one of the two other major geopolitical enemies. It's not just the government, either - quite a few Russians know what "Damansky island" is about.
  - rwyinuse 2y ago
    Baltic states are tiny compared to Russia, and Russians really don't care how many soldiers they lose. So, of course Russians can steamroll the Baltics if there isn't significant foreign help. But I agree it's EU leader's job to finally increase military spending, invest to grow our economies instead of following BS austerity policies, and make sure we can defend Eastern Europe. As far as US-Russia-China relations go, you can't trust any promises Russia makes to the US. They will betray Americans as soon as China offers them a better deal, which I believe they can. They can just wait until China invades Taiwan, and then attack Eastern Europe & make deal with China while America is too busy fighting them.
hedora 2y ago
So, you’re hoping for more US backed genocide and ethnic cleansing campaigns, and less defending third parties when dictators decide to invade them? How do you envision this playing out in your corner of the third world?

by masijo 2y ago

watwut 2y ago

US is involving itself. They arw actively supporting Russia and actively threatening Canada. USA is not stepping back, they are acting like an aggressor both against Ukraine and Canada. And against EU those somewhat less so.

throwaway_12321 2y ago

EU people calling US unreliable now? For the last 50 years EU has been doing to Israel what US is doing to EU... Sadly for you, the West will figure itself out.

rwyinuse 2y ago

The US no longer playing world police isn't what's disturbing, it's understandable that they want EU to take care of its defense. The disturbing thing is how the current administration blamed Ukraine for the war, sees Putin's Russia as an ally, and actively wants to destabilize EU by supporting pro-Russian forces inside it. All this is not so hilarious for me, living next to Russia and wondering if they will invade us within next 5-10 years, and whether we will receive any help from abroad when Europe seems to become increasingly pro-Russian. What is happening now is potentially a matter of life and death to us.

rdm_blackhole 2y ago
> The US no longer playing world police isn't what's disturbing, it's understandable that they want EU to take care of its defense. I guess this reality has never reached the leaders of the EU apparently. Trump was in power before and also threatened to leave NATO yet the EU countries did not prepare for this at all. They had 4 years of Biden to do so but alas they simply waited and wasted time. > The disturbing thing is how the current administration blamed Ukraine for the war, sees Putin's Russia as an ally, and actively wants to destabilize EU by supporting pro-Russian forces inside it. You find it disturbing because you are missing the forest for the trees. China is now very tightly coupled with Russia and Iran. The biggest threat to US hegemony is not Russia, not by a mile. China has the means, the power and the will to start asserting itself on the global stage. On the other hand Russia struggles to hold on to a 5th of Ukraine. Trump wants to split Russia away from China and is willing to give up on Ukraine in order to make this happen. It's that simple. Russia has huge swaths of raw minerals, fossil fuels, lumber and so on that China needs in order to expand it's economy therefore it makes complete sense to try to slide a wedge between them in order to isolate China. In this game of Geo-politics, Ukraine and the EU are just pawns that can be traded/pushed around because they have barely any weight in the global order. You can be mad about this but if you do you should be mad towards the EU leaders from the last 30 years who instead of building a robust industrial base, sent all their jobs abroad, who instead of building a army that could resist an invasion, relied on the US protection without even reaching the minimum NATO investment threshold year after year. The EU countries made their bed and now they are struggling because most of them are broke, their economies are in the gutter and are slowly crumbling. > All this is not so hilarious for me, living next to Russia and wondering if they will invade us within next 5-10 years, and whether we will receive any help from abroad when Europe seems to become increasingly pro-Russian. What is happening now is potentially a matter of life and death to us. This is a weird take. On one hand Russia, is not even able to conquer the whole of Ukraine but somehow it has the capability to steamroll over all the Baltic states? So which one is it, is Russia a paper tiger or an unstoppable force? Both can't be true at the same time.
- mopsi 2y ago
  China is now very tightly coupled with Russia and Iran. The biggest threat to US hegemony is not Russia, not by a mile. China has the means, the power and the will to start asserting itself on the global stage. Trump's attitude toward Ukraine does not deter China from actions such as the invasion of Taiwan; it only encourages them. In the last 10 days, Trump has granted Russia a long list of concessions without receiving anything in return. His representative Witkoff couldn't name a single thing during an interview yesterday. Russians are literally wondering if this is some kind of clever trap or if Trump is really this dumb. If Trump does not make a 180 degree turn soon and folds to Russia on Ukraine, then it looks like a rare and highly favorable window of opportunity has opened for China to invade Taiwan. Trump wants to split Russia away from China and is willing to give up on Ukraine in order to make this happen. It's that simple. Russia never cared about China. To them, it's a distant and strange country that they don't understand and have little in common with. Even much less than the US, because they have no outsourced manufacturing there and they are too far behind to have a rivalry in science and technology. Instead, they see the US as the main adversary in the world, because the US stands in the way of conquering Eastern Europe. They are willing to promise anything if that gives them any advantage at the expense of the US and the transatlantic alliance. They will break these promises whenever it suits them. And Trump is currently proving that he is entirely unwilling to demand the fulfillment of previous promises. So for Russia, promising to "split from China" is free. It doesn't mean nor cost anything.
  - int_19h 2y ago
    Russia very much cares about China, since that was historically one of the two other major geopolitical enemies. It's not just the government, either - quite a few Russians know what "Damansky island" is about.
- rwyinuse 2y ago
  Baltic states are tiny compared to Russia, and Russians really don't care how many soldiers they lose. So, of course Russians can steamroll the Baltics if there isn't significant foreign help. But I agree it's EU leader's job to finally increase military spending, invest to grow our economies instead of following BS austerity policies, and make sure we can defend Eastern Europe. As far as US-Russia-China relations go, you can't trust any promises Russia makes to the US. They will betray Americans as soon as China offers them a better deal, which I believe they can. They can just wait until China invades Taiwan, and then attack Eastern Europe & make deal with China while America is too busy fighting them.

hedora 2y ago

So, you’re hoping for more US backed genocide and ethnic cleansing campaigns, and less defending third parties when dictators decide to invade them? How do you envision this playing out in your corner of the third world?