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I’ve been a developer since the 90s. Mainly on the JVM, some Objective-C, and too much JavaScript garbage. I would gladly take a junior position, making junior

I’ve been a developer since the 90s. Mainly on the JVM, some Objective-C, and too much JavaScript garbage. I would gladly take a junior position, making junior pay if I could get an entry-level Rust gig. I know that’s not going to happen, but I sure would like it too.

roland35 2y ago
Too many rust jobs are in crypto or web3 stuff right now. Even if you like that tech, it's pretty undeniable that those industries are boom/bust and quite risky.
- millerm 2y ago
  Seeing as I haven't worked in almost five months, that doesn't bother me at all.
  - codr7 2y ago
    I honestly have no idea what kind of developers are getting jobs in the current market. I have plenty of experience, but it's just not going to happen right now without miracles.
convolvatron 2y ago
There are fewer rust jobs, but those that are there are reallly pretty desperate. Most have stopped agreeing to train people because of the time involved, and the risk someone won’t really take to it. Learn rust in your own to a basic fluency and you’ll be able to find a job
- millerm 2y ago
  Oh, I've taken the time to learn the language and tooling. It means I would take a junior position, and I don't mind that. I'm not chasing money anymore, I just want to enjoy what I do again, because I don't anymore.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  So... Where are these jobs? I have basic fluency and I'll take anything. I had 2 interviews for jobs that happened to use rust, but they were cut off early from hiring someone farther in the process.
  - convolvatron 2y ago
    I've talked to AI hardware companies using rust for firmware. A couple other companies needing firmware that decided to use rust. Another three companies doing firmware infrastructure in rust. One company doing wide area SDN services. Two database companies. Every single crypto/web3/defi company. Two groups doing datalog-esque work. Two cloud AI infrastructure companies.
    - koakuma-chan 2y ago
      1Password recently had job openings for Rust positions for interns. Wouldn't call them desperate.
koakuma-chan 2y ago
I had an opportunity to get an entry-level Rust job, but I rejected it because it paid only $500/mo. Now I regret it.
- bookofjoe 2y ago
  That's not even close to minimum wage!
  - noname120 2y ago
    Depends in which country.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      America's pathetically low Federal minumim wage is $7.25/hr. $1160/month before taxes. But never mind minumum wage. Thars an insulting amount of money for a systems language that is generally wielded for safety critical tasks (or tasks that benefit from that mentality,).
      - koakuma-chan 2y ago
        You underestimate how poor Ukraine is. When I was in college, one of my teachers was a recent graduate, and when I talked to her, she said she was getting paid $200/mo, and she even added that she thought it was good for a young woman. But, shortly after, she left the job. I hope she's doing alright. So what I'm saying is that it's not really the company's fault, in fact they seemed nice, it's more like they probably just couldn't afford to pay more.
  - koakuma-chan 2y ago
    Yeah that's why I rejected it. I'm a Ukranian national and that was a remote job at a Ukranian company, and I had to reject it because I live in Canada. But now I think maybe it could have been worth it to accept it and just move to like Poland or something, but you never know.
kstrauser 2y ago
Be the change you want to see. I work at a polyglot company, and I intend to start using Rust for my own projects when it’s an appropriate fit (which it would be for a lot of the stuff I’m doing).
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Sadly I'd need to get a job first then be credible enough to start working on an "exotic" language. It'd be nice to hit two birds with one stone but jobs in general are still far from bouncing back.
fnord77 2y ago
I did Rust full time in a senior position around 2020 for a year. It's interesting at first and then it gets tedious. I have no interest in going back to Rust.
- whytevuhuni 2y ago
  > I have no interest in going back to Rust. What are you doing instead? I'm curious what you're comparing it to.

roland35 2y ago

Too many rust jobs are in crypto or web3 stuff right now. Even if you like that tech, it's pretty undeniable that those industries are boom/bust and quite risky.

millerm 2y ago
Seeing as I haven't worked in almost five months, that doesn't bother me at all.
- codr7 2y ago
  I honestly have no idea what kind of developers are getting jobs in the current market. I have plenty of experience, but it's just not going to happen right now without miracles.

convolvatron 2y ago

There are fewer rust jobs, but those that are there are reallly pretty desperate. Most have stopped agreeing to train people because of the time involved, and the risk someone won’t really take to it. Learn rust in your own to a basic fluency and you’ll be able to find a job

millerm 2y ago
Oh, I've taken the time to learn the language and tooling. It means I would take a junior position, and I don't mind that. I'm not chasing money anymore, I just want to enjoy what I do again, because I don't anymore.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
So... Where are these jobs? I have basic fluency and I'll take anything. I had 2 interviews for jobs that happened to use rust, but they were cut off early from hiring someone farther in the process.
- convolvatron 2y ago
  I've talked to AI hardware companies using rust for firmware. A couple other companies needing firmware that decided to use rust. Another three companies doing firmware infrastructure in rust. One company doing wide area SDN services. Two database companies. Every single crypto/web3/defi company. Two groups doing datalog-esque work. Two cloud AI infrastructure companies.
  - koakuma-chan 2y ago
    1Password recently had job openings for Rust positions for interns. Wouldn't call them desperate.

koakuma-chan 2y ago

I had an opportunity to get an entry-level Rust job, but I rejected it because it paid only $500/mo. Now I regret it.

bookofjoe 2y ago
That's not even close to minimum wage!
- noname120 2y ago
  Depends in which country.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    America's pathetically low Federal minumim wage is $7.25/hr. $1160/month before taxes. But never mind minumum wage. Thars an insulting amount of money for a systems language that is generally wielded for safety critical tasks (or tasks that benefit from that mentality,).
    - koakuma-chan 2y ago
      You underestimate how poor Ukraine is. When I was in college, one of my teachers was a recent graduate, and when I talked to her, she said she was getting paid $200/mo, and she even added that she thought it was good for a young woman. But, shortly after, she left the job. I hope she's doing alright. So what I'm saying is that it's not really the company's fault, in fact they seemed nice, it's more like they probably just couldn't afford to pay more.
- koakuma-chan 2y ago
  Yeah that's why I rejected it. I'm a Ukranian national and that was a remote job at a Ukranian company, and I had to reject it because I live in Canada. But now I think maybe it could have been worth it to accept it and just move to like Poland or something, but you never know.

kstrauser 2y ago

Be the change you want to see. I work at a polyglot company, and I intend to start using Rust for my own projects when it’s an appropriate fit (which it would be for a lot of the stuff I’m doing).

johnnyanmac 2y ago
Sadly I'd need to get a job first then be credible enough to start working on an "exotic" language. It'd be nice to hit two birds with one stone but jobs in general are still far from bouncing back.

fnord77 2y ago

I did Rust full time in a senior position around 2020 for a year. It's interesting at first and then it gets tedious. I have no interest in going back to Rust.

whytevuhuni 2y ago
> I have no interest in going back to Rust. What are you doing instead? I'm curious what you're comparing it to.