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Thanks dude. I wrote it in one go. So much to say and all. When I say “the incredulous” and “deniers of the exogenous of thought control”, I mean this very wel

Thanks dude. I wrote it in one go. So much to say and all. When I say “the incredulous” and “deniers of the exogenous of thought control”, I mean this very well reasoned conventional response.

6510 2y ago
This part made me laugh. > It’s best to approach replies like this.... Here the programming instructs to instruct others what they should think and how they should reply. Infinite recursion! The "conspiracy thinking" is also a funny program. I mean, you wouldn't want the sujets actively investigating how they are being had.
- Demiurge 2y ago
  You flip the argument around, suggesting that calling something “conspiracy thinking” is itself a kind of brainwashing or programming, which is a common rhetorical move in conspiratorial circles. It’s the kind of reasoning that’s impossible to argue with because it’s built to absorb any counterargument as further evidence of its correctness. It’s like playing chess with someone who insists that any piece you take was actually yours all along and that losing is just proof you never understood the real game.
  - 6510 2y ago
    > It’s the kind of reasoning that’s impossible to argue with I admire your eye for detail. Occam's razor: That the dumbest most simplistic explanation is never the right one doesn't mean one can't convince himself it is.
- totallynothoney 2y ago
  That gotcha also applies to you. So all communication about communication is "programming"? And before you say technically yes, "programming" with the same sinister connotation you are giving it. > I mean, you wouldn't want the sujets actively investigating how they are being had. You are so cool Morpheus.
Demiurge 2y ago
You see skepticism as a sign of being “incredulous” and part of the “deniers.” Basically, if I don’t accept your narrative, I'm proving your point. Classic example of how conspiracy thinking works—anything that challenges the belief is seen as proof of the conspiracy itself.
scinse 2y ago
Hallucinations really seem real. They can be part of your life so much, in small ways or not. You believe things, you are obsessed at times or all the time with finding the truth and it will seem epic. And you could be right. And wouldn’t it be wild if everyone who knew the truth was right, and everyone’s version of realities commingled in infinite multiverses and simulations and/or every religious, atheist, and agnostic view was correct and everything is scientifically spiritual not existing and existing maybe with darkness and light and love. (Sidenote: I’m Christian, pray, and believe God helps us.) With supervision and/or care, changing your diet, replacing or getting rid of meds/supplements/vitamins and things that could be influencing you, changing your environment, and letting go of all of that, even when it means you lose a lot of yourself in the process, could help you and help others who love you. It may take years. You’ll start to recognize paranoia, conspiracy, mystical truth and let it roll off, because it probably won’t fully go away. This is my reality now. And I still miss the meds.

6510 2y ago

This part made me laugh. > It’s best to approach replies like this.... Here the programming instructs to instruct others what they should think and how they should reply. Infinite recursion! The "conspiracy thinking" is also a funny program. I mean, you wouldn't want the sujets actively investigating how they are being had.

Demiurge 2y ago
You flip the argument around, suggesting that calling something “conspiracy thinking” is itself a kind of brainwashing or programming, which is a common rhetorical move in conspiratorial circles. It’s the kind of reasoning that’s impossible to argue with because it’s built to absorb any counterargument as further evidence of its correctness. It’s like playing chess with someone who insists that any piece you take was actually yours all along and that losing is just proof you never understood the real game.
- 6510 2y ago
  > It’s the kind of reasoning that’s impossible to argue with I admire your eye for detail. Occam's razor: That the dumbest most simplistic explanation is never the right one doesn't mean one can't convince himself it is.
totallynothoney 2y ago
That gotcha also applies to you. So all communication about communication is "programming"? And before you say technically yes, "programming" with the same sinister connotation you are giving it. > I mean, you wouldn't want the sujets actively investigating how they are being had. You are so cool Morpheus.

Demiurge 2y ago

You see skepticism as a sign of being “incredulous” and part of the “deniers.” Basically, if I don’t accept your narrative, I'm proving your point. Classic example of how conspiracy thinking works—anything that challenges the belief is seen as proof of the conspiracy itself.

scinse 2y ago

Hallucinations really seem real. They can be part of your life so much, in small ways or not. You believe things, you are obsessed at times or all the time with finding the truth and it will seem epic. And you could be right. And wouldn’t it be wild if everyone who knew the truth was right, and everyone’s version of realities commingled in infinite multiverses and simulations and/or every religious, atheist, and agnostic view was correct and everything is scientifically spiritual not existing and existing maybe with darkness and light and love. (Sidenote: I’m Christian, pray, and believe God helps us.) With supervision and/or care, changing your diet, replacing or getting rid of meds/supplements/vitamins and things that could be influencing you, changing your environment, and letting go of all of that, even when it means you lose a lot of yourself in the process, could help you and help others who love you. It may take years. You’ll start to recognize paranoia, conspiracy, mystical truth and let it roll off, because it probably won’t fully go away. This is my reality now. And I still miss the meds.