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Which is why a discussion on this topic at such a high level isn't really productive. You need to look at each line item and ask whether it’s fraud/waste/abuse

by dcow 2y ago

Which is why a discussion on this topic at such a high level isn't really productive. You need to look at each line item and ask whether it’s fraud/waste/abuse and then make a call. That is exactly what DOGE is doing. If you don’t trust them then you’ll never get to a discussion on meaningful details.

smegger001 2y ago
Its not. they are just firing everyone they can. if they were being careful and looking at every line item they would not have accidentally fired the engineers that maintain our nuclear weapon initiating a mad scramble to rehire them. you cant have small team doing that level of audit in the time frames they have been in operation.
- dcow 2y ago
  You can—you’re watching it happen. Sounds like the problem was swiftly remedied.
  - smegger001 2y ago
    They wouldn't have fired them in the first place if they had been doing a line by line audit. This is the equivalent of flipping every breaker in the box turn off one light in an apartment building. Sure the light turned off but you also turned off everyone's refrigerators, and the oxygen machine the old lady in apartment 3b needs to live. But you turned it back on the breakers of anyone who came down and complained... unfortunately the old lady died but she didn't make it down to complain. the question is who are Doge going to kill with their actions that wont get their complaints heard?
    - dcow 2y ago
      Nothing concerns me less than a quickly remedied mistake. PS: at many time’s I’ve been successful using the “flip every breaker” strategy. A well designed oxygen machine has a battery and a fridge can tolerate a brief power outage.
      - Jcowell 2y ago
        > A well designed oxygen machine has a battery and a fridge can tolerate a brief power outage. Sure, but you would at least do the due diligence to confirm that the case for Mrs Shelby before you YOLO it and wish for the best with her life on the line.
      - SmirkingRevenge 2y ago
        Many of the mistakes they are making are not being remedied, nor will the consequences be obvious in the short term. There really isn't any upside for anyone in this whole thing except for Trump, Elon and their buddies. And they are breaking the law. The farce of this whole thing is that none of the destructive cuts they've made will amount to a hill of beans compared to federal spending. They're jumping over hundred dollar bills to chase pennies. (That's b/c none of this is actually about making government more efficient)
insane_dreamer 2y ago
But that's _not_ what DOGE is doing.
- dcow 2y ago
  What are they doing, then?
  - throw0101a 2y ago
    > What are they doing, then? Un-reforming the civil service: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service_reform_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service_reform_in_the_Un... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system

by dcow 2y ago

smegger001 2y ago

Its not. they are just firing everyone they can. if they were being careful and looking at every line item they would not have accidentally fired the engineers that maintain our nuclear weapon initiating a mad scramble to rehire them. you cant have small team doing that level of audit in the time frames they have been in operation.

dcow 2y ago
You can—you’re watching it happen. Sounds like the problem was swiftly remedied.
- smegger001 2y ago
  They wouldn't have fired them in the first place if they had been doing a line by line audit. This is the equivalent of flipping every breaker in the box turn off one light in an apartment building. Sure the light turned off but you also turned off everyone's refrigerators, and the oxygen machine the old lady in apartment 3b needs to live. But you turned it back on the breakers of anyone who came down and complained... unfortunately the old lady died but she didn't make it down to complain. the question is who are Doge going to kill with their actions that wont get their complaints heard?
  - dcow 2y ago
    Nothing concerns me less than a quickly remedied mistake. PS: at many time’s I’ve been successful using the “flip every breaker” strategy. A well designed oxygen machine has a battery and a fridge can tolerate a brief power outage.
    - Jcowell 2y ago
      > A well designed oxygen machine has a battery and a fridge can tolerate a brief power outage. Sure, but you would at least do the due diligence to confirm that the case for Mrs Shelby before you YOLO it and wish for the best with her life on the line.
    - SmirkingRevenge 2y ago
      Many of the mistakes they are making are not being remedied, nor will the consequences be obvious in the short term. There really isn't any upside for anyone in this whole thing except for Trump, Elon and their buddies. And they are breaking the law. The farce of this whole thing is that none of the destructive cuts they've made will amount to a hill of beans compared to federal spending. They're jumping over hundred dollar bills to chase pennies. (That's b/c none of this is actually about making government more efficient)

insane_dreamer 2y ago

But that's _not_ what DOGE is doing.

dcow 2y ago
What are they doing, then?
- throw0101a 2y ago
  > What are they doing, then? Un-reforming the civil service: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service_reform_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service_reform_in_the_Un... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system