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before becoming "multiplanetary" we gotta get significantly better and single-planetary management. there is not even a global "we"

scarfaceneo 2y ago
Exactly. When people like Musk try and brainwash you into believing “we” should be a multi planetary species, what he means is “they” should be, and “you” should fund it.
- adastra22 2y ago
  It is fashionable to hate on Musk, sometimes for good reason, but this comment is straight up wrong. From the very beginning SpaceX’s long term business vision has been to enable middle class emigration to Mars.
  - speakfreely 2y ago
    It is not just fashionable, it is downright easy due to his personality. His methods of communication on many topics, particularly political ones, are purposefully misleading and manipulative. But he is 100% correct about the need to become an interplanetary species. On a long enough timeline, it's the only option to keep our future selves in existence. While I'd certainly prefer to have some wholesome, highly decorated astronaut with an honest streak and a perfect temperament be the one who started SpaceX and enabled multi-planetary travel, I still believe it's better that Musk is doing it than no one at all.
  - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
    > From the very beginning SpaceX’s long term business vision has been to enable middle class emigration to Mars. That should have been enough reason for everyone to dismiss Musk, but unfortunatley too many uninformed people in charge. Mars is -60 celcuius on average, and lack an atmosphere. Youd die off cancer from radiation exposure within a year IF you had every other life supporting system in place. Then theres the seasonal explosive eruptions, no soil and countless other reasons this is a moronic enterprise. This aint fashionable, its facts. The sad part is that I think Musk actually knows this but his fans too dumb to see the charlatan for what he is.
    - adastra22 2y ago
      There are 40 years of work by subject matter experts on how to adapt to Mars and to adapt Mars to us. Are you aware of this work? Have you read any of it? All of these problems have reasonable solutions, and as someone who has spent 30 years in and around this field, it is frustrating to see this middlebrow dismissal be so commonplace.
- ema 2y ago
  If you had to choose between everyone dying and everyone except billionaires dying what would you choose?
adastra22 2y ago
We are perfectly capable of doing more than one thing at a time.
- thinkingtoilet 2y ago
  Clearly not. Look around.
  - adastra22 2y ago
    Clearly we are. I literally have no idea what you are talking about and am dumbfounded. Across all of society there are millions of different people pushing forward just as many different projects. New Space ventures are pushing forward the space frontier, while solar, battery, and nuclear companies are moving us off fossil fuels, conservation groups are expanding protected lands, etc. Society as a whole is demonstrably able to do more than one thing.
    - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
      The sea level rose by a centimeter since 2000 due to melting polar caps, everyone on earth has microplastic in their organs now and land is made permanently inhospitable by industry waste faster than ever. Agriculture is breaking down because of monocultures and overuse of fertilizers, leading to faster soil erosion and guess what? we are running out of fertilizers. Soon our only hope is to mine Greenland for the last of it. Speaking of running out, we are fast approaching peak oil and peak copper. PFAS is polluting our drinking water and destertification is spreading. Wildfires and hurricanes are destroying cities. Then theres major wars and countries who transitioned to war economics and western countries run by oligarchs and gangsters. All while you dream of space exploration for the ultra rich.
      - adastra22 2y ago
        I'm sorry that you have so much hate and sadness in your heart that you want to tear down and mischaracterize someone doing something positive because you feel hurt for unrelated reasons. I genuinely hope you can find a way to be happy in this world.
delichon 2y ago
That's a deeply authoritarian notion, because it implies that we need to subordinate society to a single will for long term survival. I think that the inverse is closer to true, because our only long term hope is in extraterrestrial diaspora.
- bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
  > I think that the inverse is closer to true Thats where we at now. I suppose you’re just another climate denier who cant read the writing on the wall.

scarfaceneo 2y ago

Exactly. When people like Musk try and brainwash you into believing “we” should be a multi planetary species, what he means is “they” should be, and “you” should fund it.

adastra22 2y ago
It is fashionable to hate on Musk, sometimes for good reason, but this comment is straight up wrong. From the very beginning SpaceX’s long term business vision has been to enable middle class emigration to Mars.
- speakfreely 2y ago
  It is not just fashionable, it is downright easy due to his personality. His methods of communication on many topics, particularly political ones, are purposefully misleading and manipulative. But he is 100% correct about the need to become an interplanetary species. On a long enough timeline, it's the only option to keep our future selves in existence. While I'd certainly prefer to have some wholesome, highly decorated astronaut with an honest streak and a perfect temperament be the one who started SpaceX and enabled multi-planetary travel, I still believe it's better that Musk is doing it than no one at all.
- bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
  > From the very beginning SpaceX’s long term business vision has been to enable middle class emigration to Mars. That should have been enough reason for everyone to dismiss Musk, but unfortunatley too many uninformed people in charge. Mars is -60 celcuius on average, and lack an atmosphere. Youd die off cancer from radiation exposure within a year IF you had every other life supporting system in place. Then theres the seasonal explosive eruptions, no soil and countless other reasons this is a moronic enterprise. This aint fashionable, its facts. The sad part is that I think Musk actually knows this but his fans too dumb to see the charlatan for what he is.
  - adastra22 2y ago
    There are 40 years of work by subject matter experts on how to adapt to Mars and to adapt Mars to us. Are you aware of this work? Have you read any of it? All of these problems have reasonable solutions, and as someone who has spent 30 years in and around this field, it is frustrating to see this middlebrow dismissal be so commonplace.
ema 2y ago
If you had to choose between everyone dying and everyone except billionaires dying what would you choose?

adastra22 2y ago

We are perfectly capable of doing more than one thing at a time.

thinkingtoilet 2y ago
Clearly not. Look around.
- adastra22 2y ago
  Clearly we are. I literally have no idea what you are talking about and am dumbfounded. Across all of society there are millions of different people pushing forward just as many different projects. New Space ventures are pushing forward the space frontier, while solar, battery, and nuclear companies are moving us off fossil fuels, conservation groups are expanding protected lands, etc. Society as a whole is demonstrably able to do more than one thing.
  - bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
    The sea level rose by a centimeter since 2000 due to melting polar caps, everyone on earth has microplastic in their organs now and land is made permanently inhospitable by industry waste faster than ever. Agriculture is breaking down because of monocultures and overuse of fertilizers, leading to faster soil erosion and guess what? we are running out of fertilizers. Soon our only hope is to mine Greenland for the last of it. Speaking of running out, we are fast approaching peak oil and peak copper. PFAS is polluting our drinking water and destertification is spreading. Wildfires and hurricanes are destroying cities. Then theres major wars and countries who transitioned to war economics and western countries run by oligarchs and gangsters. All while you dream of space exploration for the ultra rich.
    - adastra22 2y ago
      I'm sorry that you have so much hate and sadness in your heart that you want to tear down and mischaracterize someone doing something positive because you feel hurt for unrelated reasons. I genuinely hope you can find a way to be happy in this world.

delichon 2y ago

That's a deeply authoritarian notion, because it implies that we need to subordinate society to a single will for long term survival. I think that the inverse is closer to true, because our only long term hope is in extraterrestrial diaspora.

bdhcuidbebe 2y ago
> I think that the inverse is closer to true Thats where we at now. I suppose you’re just another climate denier who cant read the writing on the wall.