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Sure Musk is abrasive and has a ton of flaws, but you lose a lot of credibility pretending the guy isn’t smart.

quantified 2y ago
He is smart. His achievements appear to be in seizing opportunity and attracting various other smart people. Unlike Trump, he hasn't destroyed too much wealth along the way.
scarab92 2y ago
He is smart, and progressives in general lose credibility by claiming otherwise, but short tempered. Also, this headline is misleading. This wasn't said by Walter Isaacson who actually wrote the biography on Musk. It's a random dude, who seems to have a personal vendetta against Musk, compiling a bunch of his tirades into something he optimisically calls a "biography".
- UltraSane 2y ago
  Smart people do not lie as much as Musk does. Smart people care a lot more about their credibility than musk does.
  - scarab92 2y ago
    1. Smart people lie plenty. 2. Musk rarely lies, he's honest to a fault.
    - UltraSane 2y ago
      "Musk rarely lies, he's honest to a fault." He lies all the time. If you honestly believe this you must get scammed a lot.
      - piva00 2y ago
        Any attempt to engage with scarab92 has been a waste of time. That person truly believes what they say to a fault, there's no amount of evidence of Elon's lies that phases them. It's rather sad but they are true-believers, best to just move on before they post another flamebait comment.
scarecrowbob 2y ago
Is it more than the credibility you lose pretending he -is- smart?
- Jimmc414 2y ago
  My point is that if you want to convince other people, you should try to argue from a place of intellectual honesty instead of gaslighting or willful blindness. Valid arguments could be made for “I don’t like what he is doing” or “he is dangerous” but just stating that he is not intelligent as the starting point for your argument doesn’t pass the smell test, so it clouds the rest of your argument. For me at least. It seems there are plenty of legitimate areas he is open for valid criticism. I know this will be downvoted, but I’m not discouraged by that outcome because it would only reinforce the point that a good faith discussion based on facts and logical persuasion is not welcome in this discussion.
- SR2Z 2y ago
  The difference I guess is how much you care about the facts. The man is very intelligent (or at least he was before he started doing tons of ketamine). This is beyond reasonable dispute. Whether or not people get mad when you say it out loud is more of a reflection of them than of me.

He is smart. His achievements appear to be in seizing opportunity and attracting various other smart people. Unlike Trump, he hasn't destroyed too much wealth along the way.

scarab92 2y ago

He is smart, and progressives in general lose credibility by claiming otherwise, but short tempered. Also, this headline is misleading. This wasn't said by Walter Isaacson who actually wrote the biography on Musk. It's a random dude, who seems to have a personal vendetta against Musk, compiling a bunch of his tirades into something he optimisically calls a "biography".

UltraSane 2y ago
Smart people do not lie as much as Musk does. Smart people care a lot more about their credibility than musk does.
- scarab92 2y ago
  1. Smart people lie plenty. 2. Musk rarely lies, he's honest to a fault.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    "Musk rarely lies, he's honest to a fault." He lies all the time. If you honestly believe this you must get scammed a lot.
    - piva00 2y ago
      Any attempt to engage with scarab92 has been a waste of time. That person truly believes what they say to a fault, there's no amount of evidence of Elon's lies that phases them. It's rather sad but they are true-believers, best to just move on before they post another flamebait comment.

scarecrowbob 2y ago

Is it more than the credibility you lose pretending he -is- smart?

Jimmc414 2y ago
My point is that if you want to convince other people, you should try to argue from a place of intellectual honesty instead of gaslighting or willful blindness. Valid arguments could be made for “I don’t like what he is doing” or “he is dangerous” but just stating that he is not intelligent as the starting point for your argument doesn’t pass the smell test, so it clouds the rest of your argument. For me at least. It seems there are plenty of legitimate areas he is open for valid criticism. I know this will be downvoted, but I’m not discouraged by that outcome because it would only reinforce the point that a good faith discussion based on facts and logical persuasion is not welcome in this discussion.
SR2Z 2y ago
The difference I guess is how much you care about the facts. The man is very intelligent (or at least he was before he started doing tons of ketamine). This is beyond reasonable dispute. Whether or not people get mad when you say it out loud is more of a reflection of them than of me.