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Federal workers should just quit en masse to teach these guys a lesson. And make them hire back for 2x the salary.

by lvl155 2y ago

monero-xmr 2y ago
Yes, do that! Quit ASAP!
fnordpiglet 2y ago
Most people need their jobs to pay their rent and have health insurance and aren’t programmers with a LinkedIn inbox full of recruiters to draw on. They weren’t making a ton of money to begin with and many desperately need the job. Public service has nice long term benefits like a pension, but most federal employees are not well off by any measure. I find people who feel glee at the suffering of these families disturbing.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  If we could all group together, such a resignation wouldn't even last a day. It's the ultimate prisoners dilemma and we're slowly running out of options less drastic. everyone would benefit and few would lose their jobs compared to this still-fast slashing. also, nitpick: >aren’t programmers with a LinkedIn inbox full of recruiters to draw on. It's not 2022 anymore. Those LinkedIn inboxes are empty for me. This market sucks.
  - juniperus 2y ago
    a general strike is great and all, but didn't Reagan call the bluff with those air traffic controllers and just hire all new ones? Replacing top scientists in all the institutions is basically impossible, but for the most part, a lot of positions would be certainly easy to fill. Park rangers? Forest service employees? lab techs? These are jobs that tons of people with a Bachelor's would be more than happy to fill. Government employees generally want to keep their job for life. So most are more inclined to hide under the covers and try to avoid the spotlight. Though I have seen many get antagonistic and incredulous with recent events but I think it should be clear that people need to keep up. With this recent email sent out saying "reply or you're fired," I mean it's cute some people think they aren't going to reply, but they must do that at their own peril. I'd be replying quick.
    - fnordpiglet 2y ago
      Park rangers and lab tech are highly skilled highly contextual roles. You can’t just go and pull someone off the street and make them experts in running assay machines or have decades of knowledge of a park and its terrain. There are plenty of people who can be churned for sure, but why are we doing this to them? There are ways of restructuring that’s thoughtful and mission enhancing, this is just wanton destruction to both our institutions and peoples lives and livelihoods - all because less than a majority voted for a single person - who is going against the will of the legislature and the majority of people. Politics aside, this is a time of sorrow and life altering trauma for a great many people. The profound lack of empathy for them and the acting like they’re somehow the “enemy” is just heartless.
- lvl155 2y ago
  That’s my point really. People just assume government workers are lazy and don’t do much but in reality a lot of these people play CRITICAL roles. Having been on both sides, government workers aren’t more or less efficient versus private counterparts. I can go on and on about lazy and zero-skill people in private enterprises that survive purely on “networking”. And we saw evidence of this during the pandemic when a lot of these people were exposed. This country would literally fall apart within the week and people will beg them to return.
dyauspitr 2y ago
Wrong strategy for the time. These people don’t care about what is lost, they’re greedy individualists, they don’t care about the country.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  It hasn't happened in America, but I think people severely underestimate how devastating a real strike can be. Remember that the ports strike in October only lasted 2 days but estimated costs were already in the 10 (or even 11) figures. A full on government walkout for a day would fix a ton. They won't care, but even their voter base wouldn't ignore the late payments, cancelled appointments, and overall confusion a day would do.
  - dyauspitr 2y ago
    You’re wrong, their voter base would ignore everything short of their own children being killed. It’s tenacious smooth brain solidarity.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Every society is X missed meals away from anarchy. For a society like America that hasn't experienced famine en masse in almost a century, that X wouldn't need to be too high. They can ignore their kids but not their bare bones basics.
      - wraaath 2y ago
        March 2020 almost became that.
  - juniperus 2y ago
    I'm all for the concept of a general strike, but I think the general public would be very unsympathetic with a government employee strike. People would be racing to put their name as someone willing to replace a striking government worker.

Federal workers should just quit en masse to teach these guys a lesson. And make them hire back for 2x the salary.

by lvl155 2y ago

Federal workers should just quit en masse to teach these guys a lesson. And make them hire back for 2x the salary.

monero-xmr 2y ago

Yes, do that! Quit ASAP!

fnordpiglet 2y ago

Most people need their jobs to pay their rent and have health insurance and aren’t programmers with a LinkedIn inbox full of recruiters to draw on. They weren’t making a ton of money to begin with and many desperately need the job. Public service has nice long term benefits like a pension, but most federal employees are not well off by any measure. I find people who feel glee at the suffering of these families disturbing.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
If we could all group together, such a resignation wouldn't even last a day. It's the ultimate prisoners dilemma and we're slowly running out of options less drastic. everyone would benefit and few would lose their jobs compared to this still-fast slashing. also, nitpick: >aren’t programmers with a LinkedIn inbox full of recruiters to draw on. It's not 2022 anymore. Those LinkedIn inboxes are empty for me. This market sucks.
- juniperus 2y ago
  a general strike is great and all, but didn't Reagan call the bluff with those air traffic controllers and just hire all new ones? Replacing top scientists in all the institutions is basically impossible, but for the most part, a lot of positions would be certainly easy to fill. Park rangers? Forest service employees? lab techs? These are jobs that tons of people with a Bachelor's would be more than happy to fill. Government employees generally want to keep their job for life. So most are more inclined to hide under the covers and try to avoid the spotlight. Though I have seen many get antagonistic and incredulous with recent events but I think it should be clear that people need to keep up. With this recent email sent out saying "reply or you're fired," I mean it's cute some people think they aren't going to reply, but they must do that at their own peril. I'd be replying quick.
  - fnordpiglet 2y ago
    Park rangers and lab tech are highly skilled highly contextual roles. You can’t just go and pull someone off the street and make them experts in running assay machines or have decades of knowledge of a park and its terrain. There are plenty of people who can be churned for sure, but why are we doing this to them? There are ways of restructuring that’s thoughtful and mission enhancing, this is just wanton destruction to both our institutions and peoples lives and livelihoods - all because less than a majority voted for a single person - who is going against the will of the legislature and the majority of people. Politics aside, this is a time of sorrow and life altering trauma for a great many people. The profound lack of empathy for them and the acting like they’re somehow the “enemy” is just heartless.
lvl155 2y ago
That’s my point really. People just assume government workers are lazy and don’t do much but in reality a lot of these people play CRITICAL roles. Having been on both sides, government workers aren’t more or less efficient versus private counterparts. I can go on and on about lazy and zero-skill people in private enterprises that survive purely on “networking”. And we saw evidence of this during the pandemic when a lot of these people were exposed. This country would literally fall apart within the week and people will beg them to return.

dyauspitr 2y ago

Wrong strategy for the time. These people don’t care about what is lost, they’re greedy individualists, they don’t care about the country.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
It hasn't happened in America, but I think people severely underestimate how devastating a real strike can be. Remember that the ports strike in October only lasted 2 days but estimated costs were already in the 10 (or even 11) figures. A full on government walkout for a day would fix a ton. They won't care, but even their voter base wouldn't ignore the late payments, cancelled appointments, and overall confusion a day would do.
- dyauspitr 2y ago
  You’re wrong, their voter base would ignore everything short of their own children being killed. It’s tenacious smooth brain solidarity.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Every society is X missed meals away from anarchy. For a society like America that hasn't experienced famine en masse in almost a century, that X wouldn't need to be too high. They can ignore their kids but not their bare bones basics.
    - wraaath 2y ago
      March 2020 almost became that.
- juniperus 2y ago
  I'm all for the concept of a general strike, but I think the general public would be very unsympathetic with a government employee strike. People would be racing to put their name as someone willing to replace a striking government worker.