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Try to keep going though. Close. Play. Search. Pause. Stop. Fast forward. I'm guessing you can name a few more, and you might get a group of people to agree abo

Try to keep going though. Close. Play. Search. Pause. Stop. Fast forward. I'm guessing you can name a few more, and you might get a group of people to agree about 15 are super obvious and generally accepted. It's a tiny number.

mrandish 2y ago
I agree. Maybe I'd add the three horizontal line 'hamburger' for menu, folder, plus sign for 'create new" and directional arrows for back/forward. Maybe around a dozen all in but that's about it. Anything else should have words. Instead, I find myself trying to puzzle out what the hell some cryptic pictogram means, very frustrating. I also have really come to despise this trend of not visually signifying that an icon is a pressable button.
- petepete 2y ago
  > the three horizontal line 'hamburger' for menu On modern Android menus are (more) often I under a button with 3 dots. Occasionally horizontal, usually vertical.
- Izkata 2y ago
  > Maybe I'd add the three horizontal line 'hamburger' for menu Fun fact, the original icon for this was more like: /-----\ | --- | | --- | Because it visually represented a menu popping up from the bottom of the screen where the button was on Android phones. Back in this era and earlier, the three horizontal lines represented grips that indicated you could click+drag an element on a webpage.
  - layer8 2y ago
    I wasn’t originally a fan of the hamburger menu icon (it’s not self-explanatory, you have to know what it means), but there was already precedence in Windows 1.0 for the so-called system menu for each application: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Windows1.0.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Windows1.0.pn... Similarly in some DOS TUIs: https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/23921 https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/23921
    - mrandish 2y ago
      > I wasn’t originally a fan of the hamburger menu icon (it’s not self-explanatory I definitely agree. I just think that it's just been so common in GUIs for long enough to be one of the few that's probably safe to just assume will be understood. Sort of like the two vertical bars for 'pause' on a media player.
      - layer8 2y ago
        I hate that it’s being used on the desktop, where there is plenty of space, resulting in a smaller hit target and often an additional click for items that would normally be top-level. Even on mobile, there would often be sufficient space to show a word like “Menu”.
BiteCode_dev 2y ago
Back arrow, reload sign, house for the home button (all them on most web browsers), +/- signs, trash can to delete, music notes, thumbs up and down, movie clap, compas for navigation, "?" for help, clock for time, lockpad for secured, git wrap for free, speaker for volume, bell for notification, battery, pen to edit, calendar for date, clipboard to copy/past, gear for settings, yellow triangle for warning, red circle carrying an icon for forbidden, check mark for approved... We are literally living in the era of emoji and there is one for every single one up there. Teens can have all conversations without using words. It happens because the more we use symbols, the more we attach and spread meaning. Send "lesser than three" to someone 30 years ago, you'll get a blank reaction. Send "<3" today, and it's a different game.
- Denkel 2y ago
  "Compass for navigation" would actually confuse me as I expect a "Google maps pin" for that, for example. Also <"?" for help>, that's literally text made an icon, hardly counts for this conversation. As someone who uses emojis to a degree that is embarrasing, I agree tgat often are amazing to convey things tgat words have harder time, but I still have to accept that there is ambiguity in their meanings, yes, a bunch of conventions have rooted enough that most people would undertand the same, but get out of those or simply present them in a different environment and things change. Labels are way less ambiguous.

mrandish 2y ago

I agree. Maybe I'd add the three horizontal line 'hamburger' for menu, folder, plus sign for 'create new" and directional arrows for back/forward. Maybe around a dozen all in but that's about it. Anything else should have words. Instead, I find myself trying to puzzle out what the hell some cryptic pictogram means, very frustrating. I also have really come to despise this trend of not visually signifying that an icon is a pressable button.

petepete 2y ago
> the three horizontal line 'hamburger' for menu On modern Android menus are (more) often I under a button with 3 dots. Occasionally horizontal, usually vertical.
Izkata 2y ago
> Maybe I'd add the three horizontal line 'hamburger' for menu Fun fact, the original icon for this was more like: /-----\ | --- | | --- | Because it visually represented a menu popping up from the bottom of the screen where the button was on Android phones. Back in this era and earlier, the three horizontal lines represented grips that indicated you could click+drag an element on a webpage.
- layer8 2y ago
  I wasn’t originally a fan of the hamburger menu icon (it’s not self-explanatory, you have to know what it means), but there was already precedence in Windows 1.0 for the so-called system menu for each application: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Windows1.0.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4e/Windows1.0.pn... Similarly in some DOS TUIs: https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/23921 https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/a/23921
  - mrandish 2y ago
    > I wasn’t originally a fan of the hamburger menu icon (it’s not self-explanatory I definitely agree. I just think that it's just been so common in GUIs for long enough to be one of the few that's probably safe to just assume will be understood. Sort of like the two vertical bars for 'pause' on a media player.
    - layer8 2y ago
      I hate that it’s being used on the desktop, where there is plenty of space, resulting in a smaller hit target and often an additional click for items that would normally be top-level. Even on mobile, there would often be sufficient space to show a word like “Menu”.

BiteCode_dev 2y ago

Back arrow, reload sign, house for the home button (all them on most web browsers), +/- signs, trash can to delete, music notes, thumbs up and down, movie clap, compas for navigation, "?" for help, clock for time, lockpad for secured, git wrap for free, speaker for volume, bell for notification, battery, pen to edit, calendar for date, clipboard to copy/past, gear for settings, yellow triangle for warning, red circle carrying an icon for forbidden, check mark for approved... We are literally living in the era of emoji and there is one for every single one up there. Teens can have all conversations without using words. It happens because the more we use symbols, the more we attach and spread meaning. Send "lesser than three" to someone 30 years ago, you'll get a blank reaction. Send "<3" today, and it's a different game.

Denkel 2y ago
"Compass for navigation" would actually confuse me as I expect a "Google maps pin" for that, for example. Also <"?" for help>, that's literally text made an icon, hardly counts for this conversation. As someone who uses emojis to a degree that is embarrasing, I agree tgat often are amazing to convey things tgat words have harder time, but I still have to accept that there is ambiguity in their meanings, yes, a bunch of conventions have rooted enough that most people would undertand the same, but get out of those or simply present them in a different environment and things change. Labels are way less ambiguous.