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If a tech company has to make rapid cuts, it will lay off engineers. This is basically the same situation. Administrators usually exist for specific reasons. A

If a tech company has to make rapid cuts, it will lay off engineers. This is basically the same situation. Administrators usually exist for specific reasons. As long as those reasons remain, it's difficult to cut administrators. If there are regulations governing what the university is allowed to do with federal money, the university needs administrators to ensure and report compliance. If students expect that the university will provide accommodation, the university needs enough staff to run a small city and all associated services.

acdha 2y ago
> If there are regulations governing what the university is allowed to do with federal money, the university needs administrators to ensure and report compliance I have a friend who’s a fairly established scientist in his field. The promised cuts to NIH indirect funding would have exactly the effect you’re describing by requiring them to spend time calculating everything as direct costs for every shared resource precisely enough to survive an audit. Trying to save money there will cost more than it’s worth because most of the shared people, equipment, and resources are paid for by NIH but they’d have to add accounting staff to document which fraction gets billed to which grant at that level of precision.
heylook 2y ago
> If a tech company has to make rapid cuts, it will lay off engineers. In my experience, they'll try find literally anyone else they can before laying off engineers. Both times I've been a part of it was like 10-20% of laid off employees were engineering. 80-90% recruiting, support, admin, HR, middle management, design, etc, etc. As much as possible leave sales, marketing, engineering functions alone.
- naijaboiler 2y ago
  For a tech company, sales and marketing are admin staff. Professors are to universities what engineers are to a tech company
xienze 2y ago
> If a tech company has to make rapid cuts, it will lay off engineers. This is basically the same situation. Eh, maybe. Part of me thinks this is making a spectacle out of having to tighten up the finances. I’m reminded of when I was in school many years ago at a state university. The state called for a 2% budget cut. Or in other words, going back to what the budget was a year or two prior. The administration went on and on about how there was absolutely no fat to cut and started making loud public statements about how they would “need” to do ridiculous things like cut the number of offered sections for undergrad mathematics courses by 15%, eliminate the music department, etc. They whipped the students into a frenzy and the whole thing culminated with a protest march down to the capitol building, and the state relented.
- jltsiren 2y ago
  A nominal 2% budget cut is a 5-6% real cut, assuming average wage growth and inflation. And if that cut meant going back to where the budget was 1-2 years earlier, the university had already faced effective budget cuts over those years.
  - xienze 2y ago
    You’re missing the bigger point, that the cuts they proposed in response were far beyond what would be necessary for such a small budget cut. To say nothing of the fact that they immediately jumped to making highly disruptive cuts (like an entire department) instead of even considering things like cutting admin roles or creature comforts (which had grown like crazy in the years prior) first.
skadamou 2y ago
>If students expect that the university will provide accommodation, the university needs enough staff to run a small city and all associated services. No doubt you need admin to help accommodate students learning needs but I've come around to thinking that they should change the parameters around testing and give every student the opportunity to use "accommodations" rather than making them prove their disability. Everyone is being granted the same degree, if a significant number of the students in your program need accommodations, like extra time on the exam, why not grant it to everybody who asks? Or better yet, just give everyone the time they need. It seems silly to me that you need to prove your need before you can get things like extra time - I think it should be opened up to everybody

acdha 2y ago

> If there are regulations governing what the university is allowed to do with federal money, the university needs administrators to ensure and report compliance I have a friend who’s a fairly established scientist in his field. The promised cuts to NIH indirect funding would have exactly the effect you’re describing by requiring them to spend time calculating everything as direct costs for every shared resource precisely enough to survive an audit. Trying to save money there will cost more than it’s worth because most of the shared people, equipment, and resources are paid for by NIH but they’d have to add accounting staff to document which fraction gets billed to which grant at that level of precision.

heylook 2y ago

> If a tech company has to make rapid cuts, it will lay off engineers. In my experience, they'll try find literally anyone else they can before laying off engineers. Both times I've been a part of it was like 10-20% of laid off employees were engineering. 80-90% recruiting, support, admin, HR, middle management, design, etc, etc. As much as possible leave sales, marketing, engineering functions alone.

naijaboiler 2y ago
For a tech company, sales and marketing are admin staff. Professors are to universities what engineers are to a tech company

xienze 2y ago

> If a tech company has to make rapid cuts, it will lay off engineers. This is basically the same situation. Eh, maybe. Part of me thinks this is making a spectacle out of having to tighten up the finances. I’m reminded of when I was in school many years ago at a state university. The state called for a 2% budget cut. Or in other words, going back to what the budget was a year or two prior. The administration went on and on about how there was absolutely no fat to cut and started making loud public statements about how they would “need” to do ridiculous things like cut the number of offered sections for undergrad mathematics courses by 15%, eliminate the music department, etc. They whipped the students into a frenzy and the whole thing culminated with a protest march down to the capitol building, and the state relented.

jltsiren 2y ago
A nominal 2% budget cut is a 5-6% real cut, assuming average wage growth and inflation. And if that cut meant going back to where the budget was 1-2 years earlier, the university had already faced effective budget cuts over those years.
- xienze 2y ago
  You’re missing the bigger point, that the cuts they proposed in response were far beyond what would be necessary for such a small budget cut. To say nothing of the fact that they immediately jumped to making highly disruptive cuts (like an entire department) instead of even considering things like cutting admin roles or creature comforts (which had grown like crazy in the years prior) first.

skadamou 2y ago

>If students expect that the university will provide accommodation, the university needs enough staff to run a small city and all associated services. No doubt you need admin to help accommodate students learning needs but I've come around to thinking that they should change the parameters around testing and give every student the opportunity to use "accommodations" rather than making them prove their disability. Everyone is being granted the same degree, if a significant number of the students in your program need accommodations, like extra time on the exam, why not grant it to everybody who asks? Or better yet, just give everyone the time they need. It seems silly to me that you need to prove your need before you can get things like extra time - I think it should be opened up to everybody