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> I did not say the entirety of others’s comments; I explicitly wrote only “make reasonable attempts”. OK, but that's still clearly not the widespread social

> I did not say the entirety of others’s comments; I explicitly wrote only “make reasonable attempts”. OK, but that's still clearly not the widespread social norm in internet forums. For better or worse, it's quite common for commenters to not make any reasonable attempt to respond to sub-threads. > Users are still completely reasonable in expecting something. Consider my hypothetical situation I completely disagree. Your hypothetical situation sounds absolutely like entitlement to me.

teddyh 2y ago
> I completely disagree. Your hypothetical situation sounds absolutely like entitlement to me. Do you mean to say that you think that it would be completely socially acceptable for a maintainer to act as in my hypothetical exaggerated hyperbolic situation? Would you respect anyone who actually did that? Would you remain friends with anyone who did that? Really?
- evanelias 2y ago
  Assuming it's FOSS, then yes, a maintainer is entirely in their rights to stop maintaining their software for any reason or for no reason at all. If you as a user don't like that, you can fork it, that's the norm for FOSS. As for respecting someone who responded in that specific wording, no, it's unprofessional. But that's orthogonal to whether or not it's entitlement to expect a regular release cadence from a FOSS project that you have no commercial relationship with. As for remaining friends, likewise, that's orthogonal to the topic being discussed.
  - teddyh 2y ago
    > a maintainer is entirely in their rights [but] it's unprofessional It is entirely reasonable for users to expect maintainers to behave respectably. Users may not have any legal rights to be treated professionally, but it does not change the reasonableness of the expectation. > But that's orthogonal It is not orthogonal. We are not discussing any legal rights; we are only discussing what is socially acceptable behavior from maintainers.
    - evanelias 2y ago
      You keep moving the goalposts. We're discussing whether it is entitlement to expect a consistent release schedule and ongoing maintenance from a FOSS project, not about respect and professional wording. Nor have I mentioned legal rights in my responses. By entirely in their rights, I meant in terms of social norms and expectations, not legally. (That should be obvious, since the maintainer is not a slave, and free society always legally permits people to stop doing unpaid work and hobbies.) Between multiple subthreads here, several commenters are telling you that your expectations are tantamount to entitlement, and you just don't want to hear it. I'm not going to continue replying to you.

teddyh 2y ago

> I completely disagree. Your hypothetical situation sounds absolutely like entitlement to me. Do you mean to say that you think that it would be completely socially acceptable for a maintainer to act as in my hypothetical exaggerated hyperbolic situation? Would you respect anyone who actually did that? Would you remain friends with anyone who did that? Really?

evanelias 2y ago
Assuming it's FOSS, then yes, a maintainer is entirely in their rights to stop maintaining their software for any reason or for no reason at all. If you as a user don't like that, you can fork it, that's the norm for FOSS. As for respecting someone who responded in that specific wording, no, it's unprofessional. But that's orthogonal to whether or not it's entitlement to expect a regular release cadence from a FOSS project that you have no commercial relationship with. As for remaining friends, likewise, that's orthogonal to the topic being discussed.
- teddyh 2y ago
  > a maintainer is entirely in their rights [but] it's unprofessional It is entirely reasonable for users to expect maintainers to behave respectably. Users may not have any legal rights to be treated professionally, but it does not change the reasonableness of the expectation. > But that's orthogonal It is not orthogonal. We are not discussing any legal rights; we are only discussing what is socially acceptable behavior from maintainers.
  - evanelias 2y ago
    You keep moving the goalposts. We're discussing whether it is entitlement to expect a consistent release schedule and ongoing maintenance from a FOSS project, not about respect and professional wording. Nor have I mentioned legal rights in my responses. By entirely in their rights, I meant in terms of social norms and expectations, not legally. (That should be obvious, since the maintainer is not a slave, and free society always legally permits people to stop doing unpaid work and hobbies.) Between multiple subthreads here, several commenters are telling you that your expectations are tantamount to entitlement, and you just don't want to hear it. I'm not going to continue replying to you.