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> The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not

by abenga 2y ago

> The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not wantonly cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) with no regard to consequences, just to see what happens?

827a 2y ago
Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "we don't have the money to spend on a lot of this stuff", because we don't. I haven't heard any argument on how deficit spending is sustainable, and obviously Americans are tired of mortgaging their childrens' future for short-term gains. I suspect we'll rebuild a ton of the programs, and I hope we do; but we need to reach a place of fiscal sustainability first.
- trust_bt_verify 2y ago
  You must be against the proposed tax cuts as we do not have money for those either, right?
  - 827a 2y ago
    Ultimately I am supportive of a surplus budget. For the next fiscal year, it comes down to how much spending the government is able to cut. I will say, the whole idea of DOGE giving $5,000 to every American feels quite unrealistic and unnecessary; that money is far better suited being dedicated toward stabilizing the fiscal situation of the federal government.
    - trust_bt_verify 2y ago
      You mention the stimulus checks but dodged speaking on the tax cuts proposed by the house. Tax cuts will cost far more than the stimulus checks.
- nrdvana 2y ago
  If they cared about fiscal responsibility they wouldn't have passed the 2017 tax cuts, or be trying to renew them now. IMHO taxes were fine in the 2010-2017 era and if we'd just kept that, we'd be close to a balanced budget. Instead, they cut taxes (the popular part) without cutting spending (the unpopular part) and let the debt run wild under the assumption "well the economy will grow so much it will pay for itself". Well, they were half right - it caused so much inflation that the debt is effectively 30% less because dollars are worth 30% less. They want to pile on new spending (deportation) while keeping the tax cuts that they still can't find enough spending cuts to justify. The fiscal arguments are basically a joke at this point.
- Tadpole9181 2y ago
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  - 827a 2y ago
    If you're going to resort to calling others here "fascist clowns", again, you should really meditate on how much of your thinking is influenced by the media you consume. You aren't actually reading and understanding; you're glancing and concluding. I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. I don't know how to convince you of this; you might be too deep into the disillusion to be pulled out. I can at least say on "having the official government channels call him a "king"", it was an unofficial channel (Trump's personal truth social feed) where he said that; and I think a reasonable conclusion is that its a reference to the very common title "The King Of New York" (because he was speaking on NYC congestion pricing), claimed by The Notorious B.I.G, Jay-Z has called himself that, its literally the name of a movie, Trump is from New York, its just a thing people say. You might not have known that, and that's ok; some of us are here to learn, and I would encourage you to have an open mind and try to learn yourself.
    - Erem 2y ago
      Siding with the Russians over the Ukrainians has obviously happened. Same with unprecedented power grabs in the form of presidential control over congressionally mandated independent agencies. All of this has been so widely reported by both national and international media that I argue it doesn’t require citation
      - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
        You're arguing with a 40 day old account.
    - Tadpole9181 2y ago
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    - NalNezumi 2y ago
      >I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. >you might be too deep into the disillusion to be pulled out. I can at least say on "having the official government channels call him a "king"", it was an unofficial channel (Trump's personal truth social feed) https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698 https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698 (If anyone is confused, NYT did post an article that claimed only in the title that is was on truth social by Trump, but in the first paragraph of the article mention it came from official Whitehouse accounts too) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984
deepsummer 2y ago
> cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) Can you name examples that you believe should not be cut?
- abenga 2y ago
  To begin with, don't just blindly fire people who are maintaining nuclear weapons? The EPA? CDC? Park rangers? I am not arguing against cutting your government spending,but you shouldn't just cut shit willy nilly without regard for how important work is.

by abenga 2y ago

827a 2y ago

Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "we don't have the money to spend on a lot of this stuff", because we don't. I haven't heard any argument on how deficit spending is sustainable, and obviously Americans are tired of mortgaging their childrens' future for short-term gains. I suspect we'll rebuild a ton of the programs, and I hope we do; but we need to reach a place of fiscal sustainability first.

trust_bt_verify 2y ago
You must be against the proposed tax cuts as we do not have money for those either, right?
- 827a 2y ago
  Ultimately I am supportive of a surplus budget. For the next fiscal year, it comes down to how much spending the government is able to cut. I will say, the whole idea of DOGE giving $5,000 to every American feels quite unrealistic and unnecessary; that money is far better suited being dedicated toward stabilizing the fiscal situation of the federal government.
  - trust_bt_verify 2y ago
    You mention the stimulus checks but dodged speaking on the tax cuts proposed by the house. Tax cuts will cost far more than the stimulus checks.
nrdvana 2y ago
If they cared about fiscal responsibility they wouldn't have passed the 2017 tax cuts, or be trying to renew them now. IMHO taxes were fine in the 2010-2017 era and if we'd just kept that, we'd be close to a balanced budget. Instead, they cut taxes (the popular part) without cutting spending (the unpopular part) and let the debt run wild under the assumption "well the economy will grow so much it will pay for itself". Well, they were half right - it caused so much inflation that the debt is effectively 30% less because dollars are worth 30% less. They want to pile on new spending (deportation) while keeping the tax cuts that they still can't find enough spending cuts to justify. The fiscal arguments are basically a joke at this point.
Tadpole9181 2y ago
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- 827a 2y ago
  If you're going to resort to calling others here "fascist clowns", again, you should really meditate on how much of your thinking is influenced by the media you consume. You aren't actually reading and understanding; you're glancing and concluding. I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. I don't know how to convince you of this; you might be too deep into the disillusion to be pulled out. I can at least say on "having the official government channels call him a "king"", it was an unofficial channel (Trump's personal truth social feed) where he said that; and I think a reasonable conclusion is that its a reference to the very common title "The King Of New York" (because he was speaking on NYC congestion pricing), claimed by The Notorious B.I.G, Jay-Z has called himself that, its literally the name of a movie, Trump is from New York, its just a thing people say. You might not have known that, and that's ok; some of us are here to learn, and I would encourage you to have an open mind and try to learn yourself.
  - Erem 2y ago
    Siding with the Russians over the Ukrainians has obviously happened. Same with unprecedented power grabs in the form of presidential control over congressionally mandated independent agencies. All of this has been so widely reported by both national and international media that I argue it doesn’t require citation
    - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
      You're arguing with a 40 day old account.
  - Tadpole9181 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - NalNezumi 2y ago
    >I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. >you might be too deep into the disillusion to be pulled out. I can at least say on "having the official government channels call him a "king"", it was an unofficial channel (Trump's personal truth social feed) https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698 https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1892295984928993698 (If anyone is confused, NYT did post an article that claimed only in the title that is was on truth social by Trump, but in the first paragraph of the article mention it came from official Whitehouse accounts too) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

deepsummer 2y ago

> cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) Can you name examples that you believe should not be cut?

abenga 2y ago
To begin with, don't just blindly fire people who are maintaining nuclear weapons? The EPA? CDC? Park rangers? I am not arguing against cutting your government spending,but you shouldn't just cut shit willy nilly without regard for how important work is.