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People keep telling me to use Dreamweaver but I stick with what works: FrontPage 98

by jamesgreenleaf 2y ago

kurthr 2y ago
Oh man, I'm gonna have to upgrade my AOLPress from 1.2.2 to 2.0!
smitelli 2y ago
Microsoft Word's "Save as Web Page" or GTFO.
- trinix912 2y ago
  That's ironically still the easiest way to go for HTML emails as the output is almost guaranteed to display well across various email clients that don't implement CSS properly (Outlook).
  - fredoralive 2y ago
    IIRC Outlook[1] just uses the Word engine internally, so it's going to share the same quirks. (I also seem to remember that Internet Explorer's Trident engine started as a fork from Word, although that's presumably a bit less direct in the later versions). [1] At least proper desktop Win32 Outlook, not the dozens of other things Microsoft have called Outlook.
  - riskneutral 2y ago
    > email clients that don't implement CSS properly (Outlook). Can anyone explain how this is even possible? It's 2025.
    - fourthark 2y ago
      Not the answer you were looking for, but `juice` makes it possible. https://github.com/Automattic/juice https://github.com/Automattic/juice
- amlib 2y ago
  Using view source in IE to discover how certain layouts and effects were done and trying to replicate it on Notepad... and then downloading Dreamweaver because you were a n00b and needed that WYSIWYG goodness.
- apocalyptic0n3 2y ago
  I think you mean saving a PSD in Photoshop, opening it in ImageReady, slicing it, and then optimizing the slices for web.
Terretta 2y ago
Kids these days. The last good vintage FrontPage was from Vermeer.
kxrm 2y ago
FrontPage Express was what I used to build my first website. (personal project with friends) I learned so much about HTML simply because of the limitations in FrontPage Express.
- viccis 2y ago
  Same. I built a rockin Pokemon website with it when I was 9.
  - riskneutral 2y ago
    Awesome
- Nition 2y ago
  Remember that grey default background colour? It was everywhere for a while.
InsideOutSanta 2y ago
That's nothing, you’ll have to pry my Mac with System 8 and GoLive CyberStudio (winner of most 90s application name) from my cold, dead hands.
jszymborski 2y ago
Anyone ever use Homestead around that era?
lelandfe 2y ago
Haha ok grandpa! tabs back to iWeb
cr125rider 2y ago
I was a kid the last time I touched front page. Why did my simple site need front page extensions on the server? It was basically a static site. Finding a free web host with those extensions was near impossible.
- geocar 2y ago
  > Why did my simple site need front page extensions on the server? Frontpage could do FTP under ideal conditions. > Finding a free web host with those extensions was near impossible. Once upon a time I made a cgi version of the fpse protocol because Windows was so expensive to run, so it's a shame you didn't find it. The internet was smaller back then, but maybe not as small as I remember. I implemented a few "webbot"s as cgi scripts instead of activex controls (like counter and search and even the 'Visual InterDev Navigation Bar' if you remember that). Dreamweaver never had anything like that - and cold fusion really was a bit further than most of my customers could handle on their own. <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-18859-1 <title FrontPage Configuration Information </title> </head> <body>  <p></p> <h1>FrontPage Configuration Information</h1> <p>In the HTML comments, this page contains configuration information that the FrontPage Explorer and FrontPage Editor need to communicate with the FrontPage server extentions installed on this web server. In short, do not delete this page.</p> </body> </html>
aqueueaqueue 2y ago
That's OK but Netscape Composer let's you edit an existing page on the web.

People keep telling me to use Dreamweaver but I stick with what works: FrontPage 98

kurthr 2y ago

Oh man, I'm gonna have to upgrade my AOLPress from 1.2.2 to 2.0!

smitelli 2y ago

Microsoft Word's "Save as Web Page" or GTFO.

trinix912 2y ago
That's ironically still the easiest way to go for HTML emails as the output is almost guaranteed to display well across various email clients that don't implement CSS properly (Outlook).
- fredoralive 2y ago
  IIRC Outlook[1] just uses the Word engine internally, so it's going to share the same quirks. (I also seem to remember that Internet Explorer's Trident engine started as a fork from Word, although that's presumably a bit less direct in the later versions). [1] At least proper desktop Win32 Outlook, not the dozens of other things Microsoft have called Outlook.
- riskneutral 2y ago
  > email clients that don't implement CSS properly (Outlook). Can anyone explain how this is even possible? It's 2025.
  - fourthark 2y ago
    Not the answer you were looking for, but `juice` makes it possible. https://github.com/Automattic/juice https://github.com/Automattic/juice
amlib 2y ago
Using view source in IE to discover how certain layouts and effects were done and trying to replicate it on Notepad... and then downloading Dreamweaver because you were a n00b and needed that WYSIWYG goodness.
apocalyptic0n3 2y ago
I think you mean saving a PSD in Photoshop, opening it in ImageReady, slicing it, and then optimizing the slices for web.

Terretta 2y ago

Kids these days. The last good vintage FrontPage was from Vermeer.

kxrm 2y ago

FrontPage Express was what I used to build my first website. (personal project with friends) I learned so much about HTML simply because of the limitations in FrontPage Express.

viccis 2y ago
Same. I built a rockin Pokemon website with it when I was 9.
- riskneutral 2y ago
  Awesome
Nition 2y ago
Remember that grey default background colour? It was everywhere for a while.

InsideOutSanta 2y ago

That's nothing, you’ll have to pry my Mac with System 8 and GoLive CyberStudio (winner of most 90s application name) from my cold, dead hands.

jszymborski 2y ago

Anyone ever use Homestead around that era?

lelandfe 2y ago

Haha ok grandpa! tabs back to iWeb

cr125rider 2y ago

I was a kid the last time I touched front page. Why did my simple site need front page extensions on the server? It was basically a static site. Finding a free web host with those extensions was near impossible.

geocar 2y ago
> Why did my simple site need front page extensions on the server? Frontpage could do FTP under ideal conditions. > Finding a free web host with those extensions was near impossible. Once upon a time I made a cgi version of the fpse protocol because Windows was so expensive to run, so it's a shame you didn't find it. The internet was smaller back then, but maybe not as small as I remember. I implemented a few "webbot"s as cgi scripts instead of activex controls (like counter and search and even the 'Visual InterDev Navigation Bar' if you remember that). Dreamweaver never had anything like that - and cold fusion really was a bit further than most of my customers could handle on their own. <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-18859-1 <title FrontPage Configuration Information </title> </head> <body>  <p></p> <h1>FrontPage Configuration Information</h1> <p>In the HTML comments, this page contains configuration information that the FrontPage Explorer and FrontPage Editor need to communicate with the FrontPage server extentions installed on this web server. In short, do not delete this page.</p> </body> </html>

aqueueaqueue 2y ago

That's OK but Netscape Composer let's you edit an existing page on the web.