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Staff the company there? Is this really how the internet has EVER worked?

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
What does that have to do with anything? Brazilian law is quite clear. Whatever someone thinks the internet "was" or was not is immaterial.
- huang_chung 2y ago
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  - simtel20 2y ago
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    - huang_chung 2y ago
      Censorship is wrong in every case, even more wrong when the motivation is extortion. History has taught us this.
      - simtel20 2y ago
        Ok, are you ascribing a motive of extortion here? You seem to be repeating an awfully simple principle but not making clear what you think the context is. Could you explain what your perspective is here?
- throwccp 2y ago
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- Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
  Why should an American/Canadian company care what the law is in some third world country?
  - Matheus28 2y ago
    So don’t. And don’t operate in that country. It’s that simple
    - Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
      If people in Brazil want to access Rumble, and Rumble wants to allow them access, why should Rumble defer to the regime? Facebook used to run a hidden service for users in China, this is the example to follow.
      - Matheus28 2y ago
        You could say the same about Silkroad in the US, or Google in China, or online casinos in specific states. It’s simply the law of the land. The people voted for it so that’s what it is.
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  - anon743448 2y ago
    Exactly, and why would they care if they’re banned in that country.
- andai 2y ago
  Well if we agree that it's reasonable that a company needs to have staff in a country it operates in, then you'd need to have staff in every country to operate. That seems unreasonable to me.
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  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    Why is that unreasonable? Within my lifetime that wasn't even physically possible.
    - Ukv 2y ago
      > Why is that unreasonable? I'd argue that if applied as a universal principle, then: * It would make it even harder specifically for smaller companies, who don't have ~200 employees to position one in each country, to get started online. If for instance you're an independent designer based in Luxembourg, maybe making fonts or website templates, would you only be allowed to sell to other people in Luxembourg? * It would likely segment the Internet, and render much of it inaccessible to anyone living in smaller countries, because realistically most websites aren't going to bother with all countries. * The intended goal, that websites would more likely bend to local law because they have employees there to be imprisoned/punished if they don't, seems questionable to me in the first place. In many cases the demands they'd be caving to would be "remove anti-government content" or "give us the IP and phone number of this journalist". > Within my lifetime that wasn't even physically possible. The world is not as it was before the takeoff of the Internet, and trying to revert back would be "unreasonable" to many. In this case Rumble is a business model that didn't exist pre-Internet, and has to compete with Amazon/Google which have global availability (or close to it). Just because brick-and-mortar stores used to manage does not make it feasible for businesses like Rumble.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        It was rhetorical, but is a nice page of text to cleverly never provide any meaningful answer to the question. A government - elected by its people - should not allow a foreign corporation to flout their laws. "If you want to operate in our country you have to actually operate in our country, where you cannot evade responsibility and the law." is not in any way an unreasonable requirement.
Spivak 2y ago
Government wants a throat to choke that is subject to their jurisdiction. If you have laws governing businesses that operate in your country it seems like a giant loophole if those businesses can avoid them simply having their servers/staff in another country. And in practice this shutting them out of the market is the stick they have to encourage compliance.
- threatofrain 2y ago
  Having the company put an office there does not give you anything to choke, unless you did it like Brazil did and threaten lawyers with jail. Even then... that's just a Brazilian lawyer the company hired. In order to do it right you have to be like a recent SEA nation that demanded the full investment from Apple in their national infra.
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What does that have to do with anything? Brazilian law is quite clear. Whatever someone thinks the internet "was" or was not is immaterial.

huang_chung 2y ago
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- simtel20 2y ago
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  - huang_chung 2y ago
    Censorship is wrong in every case, even more wrong when the motivation is extortion. History has taught us this.
    - simtel20 2y ago
      Ok, are you ascribing a motive of extortion here? You seem to be repeating an awfully simple principle but not making clear what you think the context is. Could you explain what your perspective is here?
throwccp 2y ago
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Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
Why should an American/Canadian company care what the law is in some third world country?
- Matheus28 2y ago
  So don’t. And don’t operate in that country. It’s that simple
  - Acrobatic_Road 2y ago
    If people in Brazil want to access Rumble, and Rumble wants to allow them access, why should Rumble defer to the regime? Facebook used to run a hidden service for users in China, this is the example to follow.
    - Matheus28 2y ago
      You could say the same about Silkroad in the US, or Google in China, or online casinos in specific states. It’s simply the law of the land. The people voted for it so that’s what it is.
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- anon743448 2y ago
  Exactly, and why would they care if they’re banned in that country.
andai 2y ago
Well if we agree that it's reasonable that a company needs to have staff in a country it operates in, then you'd need to have staff in every country to operate. That seems unreasonable to me.
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- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  Why is that unreasonable? Within my lifetime that wasn't even physically possible.
  - Ukv 2y ago
    > Why is that unreasonable? I'd argue that if applied as a universal principle, then: * It would make it even harder specifically for smaller companies, who don't have ~200 employees to position one in each country, to get started online. If for instance you're an independent designer based in Luxembourg, maybe making fonts or website templates, would you only be allowed to sell to other people in Luxembourg? * It would likely segment the Internet, and render much of it inaccessible to anyone living in smaller countries, because realistically most websites aren't going to bother with all countries. * The intended goal, that websites would more likely bend to local law because they have employees there to be imprisoned/punished if they don't, seems questionable to me in the first place. In many cases the demands they'd be caving to would be "remove anti-government content" or "give us the IP and phone number of this journalist". > Within my lifetime that wasn't even physically possible. The world is not as it was before the takeoff of the Internet, and trying to revert back would be "unreasonable" to many. In this case Rumble is a business model that didn't exist pre-Internet, and has to compete with Amazon/Google which have global availability (or close to it). Just because brick-and-mortar stores used to manage does not make it feasible for businesses like Rumble.
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
      It was rhetorical, but is a nice page of text to cleverly never provide any meaningful answer to the question. A government - elected by its people - should not allow a foreign corporation to flout their laws. "If you want to operate in our country you have to actually operate in our country, where you cannot evade responsibility and the law." is not in any way an unreasonable requirement.

Spivak 2y ago

Government wants a throat to choke that is subject to their jurisdiction. If you have laws governing businesses that operate in your country it seems like a giant loophole if those businesses can avoid them simply having their servers/staff in another country. And in practice this shutting them out of the market is the stick they have to encourage compliance.

threatofrain 2y ago
Having the company put an office there does not give you anything to choke, unless you did it like Brazil did and threaten lawyers with jail. Even then... that's just a Brazilian lawyer the company hired. In order to do it right you have to be like a recent SEA nation that demanded the full investment from Apple in their national infra.

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