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I think Sanders would have unified because my MAGA parents liked his working-class support. But if I mention that among my progressive friends I get glares and

I think Sanders would have unified because my MAGA parents liked his working-class support. But if I mention that among my progressive friends I get glares and stern warnings that Hillary was "the best" candidate and any objection is sexist. It's kinda like being a conservative who doesn't believe in god or is gay, your party will shun you.

Gormo 2y ago
> I think Sanders would have unified No, Sanders would never be a unifying figure. Libertarians see him as being essentially equivalent to Trump: a demagogue who makes emotional appeals to build a cult of personality, deeply misunderstands economics, and seeks to use political power in an unbounded and illegitimate ways.
- boardedupshack 2y ago
  But there as many libertarians that matter as there are antifa that matter. They are noise in the data. Populism is a marketing tool (to quote Hank Green) and Sanders wielded it as well as trump, but to help people, not punish them. Both have decades of track records demonstrating this fact.
  - Gormo 2y ago
    > But there as many libertarians that matter as there are antifa that matter. Various surveys have indicated that 20-30% of the US population broadly align with libertarian principles, regardless of party affiliation or nominal identification. This aligns fairly well with the proportion of the electorate that had negative opinions of both Trump and Harris in the last election (even those who took a "lesser of evils" approach and voted for one of them).
    - boardedupshack 2y ago
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      - Gormo 2y ago
        Everyone would agree they'd like to pay less for health care. Much fewer would agree with specific proposals purporting to achieve that. Many people understand that the accumulation of political interventions over the past ~60 years are the primary thing driving costs up.
        boardedupshack 2y ago
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      - bsimpson 2y ago
        I don't know if you're new to HN or if you made an alt account just for this, but… The underlying principle of HN is that discussions should engender curiosity. Talking point pissing matches and trying to dunk in replies permeate conversation everywhere else, especially when the people in power are controversial. Please take that energy elsewhere. If you wanna participate in HN, aim for replies that everyone would find interesting. This isn't a board for interpersonal arguments.
bsimpson 2y ago
I'm from Nevada. I know lots of conservatives who aren't religious.
ZekeSulastin 2y ago
I know anecdote vs anecdote is pretty much meaningless and I’m channeling “No true Scotsman”, but I find it hard to believe an actual progressive telling you that - the complaints from the progressive wing about Sanders losing the primaries are evergreen.
- boardedupshack 2y ago
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Gormo 2y ago

> I think Sanders would have unified No, Sanders would never be a unifying figure. Libertarians see him as being essentially equivalent to Trump: a demagogue who makes emotional appeals to build a cult of personality, deeply misunderstands economics, and seeks to use political power in an unbounded and illegitimate ways.

boardedupshack 2y ago
But there as many libertarians that matter as there are antifa that matter. They are noise in the data. Populism is a marketing tool (to quote Hank Green) and Sanders wielded it as well as trump, but to help people, not punish them. Both have decades of track records demonstrating this fact.
- Gormo 2y ago
  > But there as many libertarians that matter as there are antifa that matter. Various surveys have indicated that 20-30% of the US population broadly align with libertarian principles, regardless of party affiliation or nominal identification. This aligns fairly well with the proportion of the electorate that had negative opinions of both Trump and Harris in the last election (even those who took a "lesser of evils" approach and voted for one of them).
  - boardedupshack 2y ago
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    - Gormo 2y ago
      Everyone would agree they'd like to pay less for health care. Much fewer would agree with specific proposals purporting to achieve that. Many people understand that the accumulation of political interventions over the past ~60 years are the primary thing driving costs up.
      - boardedupshack 2y ago
        [flagged]
    - bsimpson 2y ago
      I don't know if you're new to HN or if you made an alt account just for this, but… The underlying principle of HN is that discussions should engender curiosity. Talking point pissing matches and trying to dunk in replies permeate conversation everywhere else, especially when the people in power are controversial. Please take that energy elsewhere. If you wanna participate in HN, aim for replies that everyone would find interesting. This isn't a board for interpersonal arguments.

bsimpson 2y ago

I'm from Nevada. I know lots of conservatives who aren't religious.

ZekeSulastin 2y ago

I know anecdote vs anecdote is pretty much meaningless and I’m channeling “No true Scotsman”, but I find it hard to believe an actual progressive telling you that - the complaints from the progressive wing about Sanders losing the primaries are evergreen.

boardedupshack 2y ago
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