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I am European and I've never even seen anyone talking about it outside the internet. Majority of people do not know and do not care.

by byyll 2y ago

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_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Thanks for this, as an American I was stressing out. But if it's only Europeans with internet access talking about it we should be fine. Let's just hope Europeans don't start using the internet.
- lolinder 2y ago
  Assuming that you commented in good faith and legitimately didn't understand: Their point is that OP likely underestimates the effect of their particular filter bubble on their perception of the universality of the discussion and sentiment.
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    Why do you think that's more likely than the top level comments underestimating the effect of "thought leaders?" Sure, "most people" aren't talking about divesting their stocks or moving their manufacturing contracts, but where they ever talking about investments in the first place?
    - lolinder 2y ago
      I didn't weigh in on the merits of OP's argument, I'm clarifying what that argument was for the parent commenter, who apparently believed that the OP thinks Europeans don't use the internet (assuming they commented in good faith). I'd be happy to see other people commenting on the merits of the argument instead of attacking at best a gross misunderstanding or at worst a straw man.
      - AlecSchueler 2y ago
        Apologies I mis-read "their point" as "the point."
- byyll 2y ago
  It's only the terminally online Europeans.
  - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
    What do you mean?
827a 2y ago
This is the reality. Most people even in the US don't care. When you ask the extremists, like some of the people in these threads, to list specific concerns about specific things that the USG is currently doing that they're unaligned with, they struggle. The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Look, I think its a distraction for either side to be worrying about this so much. Those actions are a very, very far distance from anything remotely resembling human rights abuse. We've been playing world police since WW2 and we're $35T in debt; we have bigger fish to fry. If you're mad that the United States is asking your country to contribute more to its own defense; or that its no longer going to get that $50M USAID contract for gender fluidity studies or whatever; I don't know what to tell you. Growing up is hard, but necessary. Europe can't keep relying on the US for everything. If its ending the war in Ukraine; I think judgement should be reserved until we understand the terms of how it ends. Ukraine could lose some territory. Sucks, but again, America voted and does not want to be the world police anymore. Supporting peace at the cost of Ukrainian territory is not automatically "omg Russia and US are allied". Its a sad, horrible outcome of Europe utterly failing its neighbor; but sure, they can blame the US, part of the job of being World Police is also being World Scapegoat. Most everything else the Trump admin is doing doesn't impact Europe. Its vague generalities about "vibes". You're oversocialized, and those vibes are probably courtesy of Russian/Chinese disinformation propaganda, not reality. Its hard to hear, you aren't going to believe it, but please just log off the internet and orient yourself on what really matters in your daily life.
- abenga 2y ago
  > The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not wantonly cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) with no regard to consequences, just to see what happens?
  - 827a 2y ago
    Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "we don't have the money to spend on a lot of this stuff", because we don't. I haven't heard any argument on how deficit spending is sustainable, and obviously Americans are tired of mortgaging their childrens' future for short-term gains. I suspect we'll rebuild a ton of the programs, and I hope we do; but we need to reach a place of fiscal sustainability first.
AlecSchueler 2y ago
I am also a European and I've seen people outside of my tech/privacy bubbles talking about moving for example off of WhatsApp for the first time.
- byyll 2y ago
  Great if that's the case. I am no fan of WhatsApp and I do think we should use and encourage more European tech but I don't think how important that is has changed recently.

I am European and I've never even seen anyone talking about it outside the internet. Majority of people do not know and do not care.

by byyll 2y ago

I am European and I've never even seen anyone talking about it outside the internet. Majority of people do not know and do not care.

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_DeadFred_ 2y ago

Thanks for this, as an American I was stressing out. But if it's only Europeans with internet access talking about it we should be fine. Let's just hope Europeans don't start using the internet.

lolinder 2y ago
Assuming that you commented in good faith and legitimately didn't understand: Their point is that OP likely underestimates the effect of their particular filter bubble on their perception of the universality of the discussion and sentiment.
- AlecSchueler 2y ago
  Why do you think that's more likely than the top level comments underestimating the effect of "thought leaders?" Sure, "most people" aren't talking about divesting their stocks or moving their manufacturing contracts, but where they ever talking about investments in the first place?
  - lolinder 2y ago
    I didn't weigh in on the merits of OP's argument, I'm clarifying what that argument was for the parent commenter, who apparently believed that the OP thinks Europeans don't use the internet (assuming they commented in good faith). I'd be happy to see other people commenting on the merits of the argument instead of attacking at best a gross misunderstanding or at worst a straw man.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      Apologies I mis-read "their point" as "the point."
byyll 2y ago
It's only the terminally online Europeans.
- AlexeyBelov 2y ago
  What do you mean?

827a 2y ago

This is the reality. Most people even in the US don't care. When you ask the extremists, like some of the people in these threads, to list specific concerns about specific things that the USG is currently doing that they're unaligned with, they struggle. The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Look, I think its a distraction for either side to be worrying about this so much. Those actions are a very, very far distance from anything remotely resembling human rights abuse. We've been playing world police since WW2 and we're $35T in debt; we have bigger fish to fry. If you're mad that the United States is asking your country to contribute more to its own defense; or that its no longer going to get that $50M USAID contract for gender fluidity studies or whatever; I don't know what to tell you. Growing up is hard, but necessary. Europe can't keep relying on the US for everything. If its ending the war in Ukraine; I think judgement should be reserved until we understand the terms of how it ends. Ukraine could lose some territory. Sucks, but again, America voted and does not want to be the world police anymore. Supporting peace at the cost of Ukrainian territory is not automatically "omg Russia and US are allied". Its a sad, horrible outcome of Europe utterly failing its neighbor; but sure, they can blame the US, part of the job of being World Police is also being World Scapegoat. Most everything else the Trump admin is doing doesn't impact Europe. Its vague generalities about "vibes". You're oversocialized, and those vibes are probably courtesy of Russian/Chinese disinformation propaganda, not reality. Its hard to hear, you aren't going to believe it, but please just log off the internet and orient yourself on what really matters in your daily life.

abenga 2y ago
> The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not wantonly cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) with no regard to consequences, just to see what happens?
- 827a 2y ago
  Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "we don't have the money to spend on a lot of this stuff", because we don't. I haven't heard any argument on how deficit spending is sustainable, and obviously Americans are tired of mortgaging their childrens' future for short-term gains. I suspect we'll rebuild a ton of the programs, and I hope we do; but we need to reach a place of fiscal sustainability first.

AlecSchueler 2y ago

I am also a European and I've seen people outside of my tech/privacy bubbles talking about moving for example off of WhatsApp for the first time.

byyll 2y ago
Great if that's the case. I am no fan of WhatsApp and I do think we should use and encourage more European tech but I don't think how important that is has changed recently.