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No one shoots themselves in the foot more often than GOP voters. It’s wild to watch folks like my SIL (a teacher) and my BIL (a combat veteran with no other ma

No one shoots themselves in the foot more often than GOP voters. It’s wild to watch folks like my SIL (a teacher) and my BIL (a combat veteran with no other marketable skills) vote against their own self interests every time they select a GOP candidate. These folks have spent decades doing everything they can to make life more difficult for teachers and veterans. Yet teachers and veterans will still line up to elect these people.

Clubber 2y ago
See, the problem with two political parties is you get a lot of baggage for a couple of things you like. So you're basically voting for two piles of shit that may say one or two things you like. Did I like lockdowns? No, Do I like corrupt insurance, also no. The way I see it is the Democrats are for the really poor people and the really rich people, of which I'm neither. The GOP is for the really rich people, of which I am not. Neither party has any interesting restoring any type of freedoms, they both want to ban stuff they don't like. The middle class really has no real representation, and that's why we're dying.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  they both want to ban stuff they don't like. genuinely curious which stuff do democrats want to ban?
  - hollywood_court 2y ago
    I’m curious to hear the answer as well. Maybe they’ll say something about guns. But we all know Republicans basically invented modern gun control. Democrats want to ban things like unvaxxed children. Which sounds like a great idea. Especially looking at the current measles outbreak in Texas.
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- Arainach 2y ago
  In the last 4 years the Democrats expanded overtime eligibility, ramped up antitrust enforcement, got inflation under control, cracked down on junk fees, forgave billions in student loan debt, invested in domestic manufacturing, invested in infrastructure spending (unlike Trump's "infrastructure week" that was talked about for his entire term and never happened), prosecuted companies for union busting, added penalties for airlines who abuse customers, and so many other things. Anyone who claims "both are the same" and "neither does not anything for the middle class" is being willfully ignorant.
  - Clubber 2y ago
    Yea, you're right. Biden did some pretty good things for the middle class. I'm glad he got us out of Afghanistan finally, though it was pretty messy. I'm more remembering Clinton's NAFTA and basically telling everyone to "learn to code," and Obama bailing out the banks but allowing middle class homes to be sold for pennies on the dollar to companies like Berkshire. It wasn't his mess, but the bailouts seemed one sided. Biden also did some bad things, like the lockdowns, and threatening people's jobs if they didn't get the jab. Misrepresenting the efficacy of the vaccine, etc. I believe Pfizer made record profits off those policies, which was, for lack of a better word, "icky." The Twitter Files were pretty bad as well. I didn't like that he defended his 93 crime bill, one of our countries biggest mistakes. He also punted on legalizing pot, ensuring more of the drug war. That's kinda my point, with either party, we get a few good things and a lot of bad things. It always feels like a bad deal.
    - phonon 2y ago
      Lockdowns were under Trump. How quickly we forget ...
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        "Why wasn't Obama in the White House on 9/11?" "That's what I want to know!" Not to mention that survey back in the day of Republican voters, "What if, instead of Obamacare, the government was to introduce an Affordable Care Act?" 80% of Republican voters were in favor of it...
ryandrake 2y ago
> These folks have spent decades doing everything they can to make life more difficult for teachers and veterans. Yet teachers and veterans will still line up to elect these people. I don't know your SIL or BIL, but in general they line up to vote because the party promises to make life even more difficult for people unlike them. "I may be losing my job and health benefits, but on the bright side, some immigrant might be sent back to their country, or some blue haired lesbian might be driven to suicide!" That's the mentality we're dealing with.
- hollywood_court 2y ago
  Agreed. They vote like that because they wish to make life more difficult for those they dislike.

Clubber 2y ago

See, the problem with two political parties is you get a lot of baggage for a couple of things you like. So you're basically voting for two piles of shit that may say one or two things you like. Did I like lockdowns? No, Do I like corrupt insurance, also no. The way I see it is the Democrats are for the really poor people and the really rich people, of which I'm neither. The GOP is for the really rich people, of which I am not. Neither party has any interesting restoring any type of freedoms, they both want to ban stuff they don't like. The middle class really has no real representation, and that's why we're dying.

bdangubic 2y ago
they both want to ban stuff they don't like. genuinely curious which stuff do democrats want to ban?
- hollywood_court 2y ago
  I’m curious to hear the answer as well. Maybe they’ll say something about guns. But we all know Republicans basically invented modern gun control. Democrats want to ban things like unvaxxed children. Which sounds like a great idea. Especially looking at the current measles outbreak in Texas.
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Arainach 2y ago
In the last 4 years the Democrats expanded overtime eligibility, ramped up antitrust enforcement, got inflation under control, cracked down on junk fees, forgave billions in student loan debt, invested in domestic manufacturing, invested in infrastructure spending (unlike Trump's "infrastructure week" that was talked about for his entire term and never happened), prosecuted companies for union busting, added penalties for airlines who abuse customers, and so many other things. Anyone who claims "both are the same" and "neither does not anything for the middle class" is being willfully ignorant.
- Clubber 2y ago
  Yea, you're right. Biden did some pretty good things for the middle class. I'm glad he got us out of Afghanistan finally, though it was pretty messy. I'm more remembering Clinton's NAFTA and basically telling everyone to "learn to code," and Obama bailing out the banks but allowing middle class homes to be sold for pennies on the dollar to companies like Berkshire. It wasn't his mess, but the bailouts seemed one sided. Biden also did some bad things, like the lockdowns, and threatening people's jobs if they didn't get the jab. Misrepresenting the efficacy of the vaccine, etc. I believe Pfizer made record profits off those policies, which was, for lack of a better word, "icky." The Twitter Files were pretty bad as well. I didn't like that he defended his 93 crime bill, one of our countries biggest mistakes. He also punted on legalizing pot, ensuring more of the drug war. That's kinda my point, with either party, we get a few good things and a lot of bad things. It always feels like a bad deal.
  - phonon 2y ago
    Lockdowns were under Trump. How quickly we forget ...
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      "Why wasn't Obama in the White House on 9/11?" "That's what I want to know!" Not to mention that survey back in the day of Republican voters, "What if, instead of Obamacare, the government was to introduce an Affordable Care Act?" 80% of Republican voters were in favor of it...

ryandrake 2y ago

> These folks have spent decades doing everything they can to make life more difficult for teachers and veterans. Yet teachers and veterans will still line up to elect these people. I don't know your SIL or BIL, but in general they line up to vote because the party promises to make life even more difficult for people unlike them. "I may be losing my job and health benefits, but on the bright side, some immigrant might be sent back to their country, or some blue haired lesbian might be driven to suicide!" That's the mentality we're dealing with.

hollywood_court 2y ago
Agreed. They vote like that because they wish to make life more difficult for those they dislike.