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Alexandre de Moraes strikes again, with his sweeping anti democratic censorship orders. This man likes to suppress his political opposition - previously that me

Alexandre de Moraes strikes again, with his sweeping anti democratic censorship orders. This man likes to suppress his political opposition - previously that meant banning individual users or deleting content but now it means entire platforms. Many journalists and nonprofits have called him a threat to Brazilian democracy for good reason (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/world/americas/brazil-alexandre-de-moraes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/22/world/americas/brazil-ale...). Also see this comparison of the Brazilian constitution and example censorship orders from de Moraes (https://x.com/alexandrefiles/status/1829979981130416479/photo/1 https://x.com/alexandrefiles/status/1829979981130416479/phot...).

rapsey 2y ago
Funny when he had a spat with X and Musk, everyone was using it to bash Musk. Now suddenly it is actually Moraes who is the bad guy.
- 4ad 2y ago
  Perhaps "everyone" was really just two groups of people all along, one which kept silent in one occasion and the other in the other occasion. Or perhaps you're right and people really have no moral principles and just say whatever is more convenient at different times. That's a scary thought. I choose to believe in the first alternative. Plenty of people complained about Moraes when he was bashing Musk.
  - rapsey 2y ago
    Well it is often one side dominating the debate and the other gets down voted to oblivion and called names when it comes to topics involving Musk.
- thrwwy001 2y ago
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- zamadatix 2y ago
  I think there is a tendency to remember on those we spent the time disagreeing with more, or some similar effect, and then thinking "well gee, before the only thing people seemed to care about was disagreeing with me about <divisive subtopic> instead of <topic>". E.g. picking a random post result from an Algolia search https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41275600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41275600 Top comment: Discussion on Moraes, not Musk Second comment: References Elon/Elon's past compliance, some replies bash others support the policy Third comment: About how companies will have to deal with more international events like this Fourth comment: Mentions X but not Musk, some replies get into Elon back & forth though Fifth comment: A pretty plain Musk bash Overall sentiment of Musk certainly wasn't in overwhelming favor of Musk but the top commend and many other threads were focus on Moraes or things other than Musk. Of those that were, most seemed to mention him to bash but certainly not "everyone" bashing him by any measure of the word. I think you see a lot more "dunk" on posts when it comes to the general political area around "Rumble" or the like. Personally more dunking on than I think is often fair as well, even though that direction is not my personal leaning. Musk himself is actually much less of a downvote trigger, even though he's got a way of getting mentioned way more often than he should in threads (like how the comments on this article have become largely about him when it's about Brazil and Rumble).
Xunjin 2y ago
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mullingitover 2y ago
If Rumble wants to operate in Brazil all they need to do is…operate in Brazil. They’re getting blocked because they won’t staff the company there and they’re getting into legal trouble for the content they post. Twitter went through this and they were able to get legal and they’re fine now. It’s almost as if they’re not actually being persecuted for their right-wing political beliefs and they’re simply dealing with the natural consequences of their actions.
- victor22 2y ago
  Staff the company there? Is this really how the internet has EVER worked?
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    What does that have to do with anything? Brazilian law is quite clear. Whatever someone thinks the internet "was" or was not is immaterial.
    - huang_chung 2y ago
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      - simtel20 2y ago
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        huang_chung 2y ago
        Censorship is wrong in every case, even more wrong when the motivation is extortion. History has taught us this.
        simtel20 2y ago
        Ok, are you ascribing a motive of extortion here? You seem to be repeating an awfully simple principle but not making clear what you think the context is. Could you explain what your perspective is here?
dyauspitr 2y ago
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rapsey 2y ago

Funny when he had a spat with X and Musk, everyone was using it to bash Musk. Now suddenly it is actually Moraes who is the bad guy.

4ad 2y ago
Perhaps "everyone" was really just two groups of people all along, one which kept silent in one occasion and the other in the other occasion. Or perhaps you're right and people really have no moral principles and just say whatever is more convenient at different times. That's a scary thought. I choose to believe in the first alternative. Plenty of people complained about Moraes when he was bashing Musk.
- rapsey 2y ago
  Well it is often one side dominating the debate and the other gets down voted to oblivion and called names when it comes to topics involving Musk.
thrwwy001 2y ago
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zamadatix 2y ago
I think there is a tendency to remember on those we spent the time disagreeing with more, or some similar effect, and then thinking "well gee, before the only thing people seemed to care about was disagreeing with me about <divisive subtopic> instead of <topic>". E.g. picking a random post result from an Algolia search https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41275600 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41275600 Top comment: Discussion on Moraes, not Musk Second comment: References Elon/Elon's past compliance, some replies bash others support the policy Third comment: About how companies will have to deal with more international events like this Fourth comment: Mentions X but not Musk, some replies get into Elon back & forth though Fifth comment: A pretty plain Musk bash Overall sentiment of Musk certainly wasn't in overwhelming favor of Musk but the top commend and many other threads were focus on Moraes or things other than Musk. Of those that were, most seemed to mention him to bash but certainly not "everyone" bashing him by any measure of the word. I think you see a lot more "dunk" on posts when it comes to the general political area around "Rumble" or the like. Personally more dunking on than I think is often fair as well, even though that direction is not my personal leaning. Musk himself is actually much less of a downvote trigger, even though he's got a way of getting mentioned way more often than he should in threads (like how the comments on this article have become largely about him when it's about Brazil and Rumble).

Xunjin 2y ago

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mullingitover 2y ago

If Rumble wants to operate in Brazil all they need to do is…operate in Brazil. They’re getting blocked because they won’t staff the company there and they’re getting into legal trouble for the content they post. Twitter went through this and they were able to get legal and they’re fine now. It’s almost as if they’re not actually being persecuted for their right-wing political beliefs and they’re simply dealing with the natural consequences of their actions.

victor22 2y ago
Staff the company there? Is this really how the internet has EVER worked?
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  What does that have to do with anything? Brazilian law is quite clear. Whatever someone thinks the internet "was" or was not is immaterial.
  - huang_chung 2y ago
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    - simtel20 2y ago
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      - huang_chung 2y ago
        Censorship is wrong in every case, even more wrong when the motivation is extortion. History has taught us this.
        simtel20 2y ago
        Ok, are you ascribing a motive of extortion here? You seem to be repeating an awfully simple principle but not making clear what you think the context is. Could you explain what your perspective is here?

dyauspitr 2y ago

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