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What did the US do to Europe this week? Are you referring to Trump withdrawing support for Ukraine?

by olalonde 2y ago

dopidopHN 2y ago
Vance came to Munich, and promoted European fascist political parties. I wish I was kidding.
- hagbard_c 2y ago
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- Tadpole9181 2y ago
  Sorry for putting this as a reply to you, the other comment is flagged and dead but I'm so upset I just need to throw this adjacent to it so people who are reading know just how bad faith this person is... --- It's beyond clear that the AfD are a far right fascist group. So clear that it has caused the majority of their leadership to change - explicitly citing them being anti-democracy and pro-russian and extremist - and the actual government's protection arm to consider then a threat to the nation's democracy: > In January 2022, after a lost power struggle, party leader Jörg Meuthen resigned his party chairmanship with immediate effect and left the AfD, as he claimed he came to acknowledge that the party had developed very far to the right with totalitarian traits and in large parts was no longer based on the liberal democratic basic order. Former party chairman and co-founder of the AfD, Lucke, had left the party in 2015 with the same remark. ... > When party founder Bernd Lucke had left the AfD in 2015, he cited, among other reasons an "anti-western, decidedly pro-Russian foreign and security policy orientation" as well as increasing calls to "pose the 'system question' with regard to our parliamentary democracy" as reasons for his departure from the party. ... > In March 2020, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (German: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz) classified AfD's far-right nationalistic faction known as Der Flügel as "a right-wing extremist endeavor against the free democratic basic order" and as "not compatible with the Basic Law", placing it under government surveillance. --- That other commenter is either ignorant to the point of negligence or a fascist themselves.
fifilura 2y ago
Many things Example: Using starlink as extortion of Ukraine to allow USA to colonize them to retroactively pay for support. https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-access-starlink-internet-services-over-minerals-say-2025-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-acces... Extortion and classic colonialism and imperialism. Ukraine has been fighting for their life the last 3 years. And now USA opportunistically join with a new front.
Deukhoofd 2y ago
Vances speech in Munich to Europe, and Trumps apparent selling out of Ukraine. I can tell you that the media cycle and conversation here (The Netherlands) has been very much about how we can move forward without the United States. People around me have been pulling out of American social media, dropping WhatsApp (which has been the biggest chat app here for a long time), and stopped using American exports. It's even overshadowing the German elections, which would otherwise be the biggest news topic, as the election in Europe's largest economy. A lot of people here have lost a huge amount of trust in the US, and I don't know if it can ever really come back.

What did the US do to Europe this week? Are you referring to Trump withdrawing support for Ukraine?

dopidopHN 2y ago

Vance came to Munich, and promoted European fascist political parties. I wish I was kidding.

hagbard_c 2y ago
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Tadpole9181 2y ago
Sorry for putting this as a reply to you, the other comment is flagged and dead but I'm so upset I just need to throw this adjacent to it so people who are reading know just how bad faith this person is... --- It's beyond clear that the AfD are a far right fascist group. So clear that it has caused the majority of their leadership to change - explicitly citing them being anti-democracy and pro-russian and extremist - and the actual government's protection arm to consider then a threat to the nation's democracy: > In January 2022, after a lost power struggle, party leader Jörg Meuthen resigned his party chairmanship with immediate effect and left the AfD, as he claimed he came to acknowledge that the party had developed very far to the right with totalitarian traits and in large parts was no longer based on the liberal democratic basic order. Former party chairman and co-founder of the AfD, Lucke, had left the party in 2015 with the same remark. ... > When party founder Bernd Lucke had left the AfD in 2015, he cited, among other reasons an "anti-western, decidedly pro-Russian foreign and security policy orientation" as well as increasing calls to "pose the 'system question' with regard to our parliamentary democracy" as reasons for his departure from the party. ... > In March 2020, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (German: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz) classified AfD's far-right nationalistic faction known as Der Flügel as "a right-wing extremist endeavor against the free democratic basic order" and as "not compatible with the Basic Law", placing it under government surveillance. --- That other commenter is either ignorant to the point of negligence or a fascist themselves.

fifilura 2y ago

Many things Example: Using starlink as extortion of Ukraine to allow USA to colonize them to retroactively pay for support. https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-access-starlink-internet-services-over-minerals-say-2025-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-acces... Extortion and classic colonialism and imperialism. Ukraine has been fighting for their life the last 3 years. And now USA opportunistically join with a new front.

Deukhoofd 2y ago

Vances speech in Munich to Europe, and Trumps apparent selling out of Ukraine. I can tell you that the media cycle and conversation here (The Netherlands) has been very much about how we can move forward without the United States. People around me have been pulling out of American social media, dropping WhatsApp (which has been the biggest chat app here for a long time), and stopped using American exports. It's even overshadowing the German elections, which would otherwise be the biggest news topic, as the election in Europe's largest economy. A lot of people here have lost a huge amount of trust in the US, and I don't know if it can ever really come back.