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Any links to read what people in EU are saying?

dukeyukey 2y ago
Check out Andreas Klinger on Twitter, and people he's retweeting and talking about. That should give you a good overview.
- jebarker 2y ago
  > on Twitter It's like rain on your wedding day
  - dukeyukey 2y ago
    X.com is just godawful branding. I'm doing it a favour by even mentioning it.
julianpye 2y ago
The FT Editorial Board: "America has turned" - https://www.ft.com/content/1511aa42-a9ad-4952-99c8-98bea07d0414 https://www.ft.com/content/1511aa42-a9ad-4952-99c8-98bea07d0... Max Hastings: The trauma of Trump: can we still do business with his America? - https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/the-trauma-of-trump-can-we-still-do-business-with-his-america-xkkwjm2tk https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/the-trau... FT: US tech will pay a price for Donald Trump’s approval - https://www.ft.com/content/2347e5d3-cbc2-4128-a108-bb89558e34a8 https://www.ft.com/content/2347e5d3-cbc2-4128-a108-bb89558e3... FT: How Washington plans to defend the dollar - this is about Crypto - https://www.ft.com/content/bfafb8f7-bd1c-48bb-85f4-8ba25475c0a3 https://www.ft.com/content/bfafb8f7-bd1c-48bb-85f4-8ba25475c... FT: Donald Trump considers tarriffs to counter Big Tech service taxes: - https://www.ft.com/content/558b5a20-c25e-483d-8fdc-bbfd2923afd1 https://www.ft.com/content/558b5a20-c25e-483d-8fdc-bbfd2923a... This is just the tip of the iceberg.
- ctrlp 2y ago
  I suggest you expand your information sources to include contrary perspectives. These read like the typical hysteriaporn to freak normies out. It would be equivalent to my sharing supporting links from the NYTimes or WaPo.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    In my experience, the Financial Times aren't terribly biased one way or the other, and do a good job of presenting the relevant facts and views. If you have similarly significant, unbiased sources presenting some contrary view, it would behoove you to share them, rather than chiding. If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome. The tone-policing and attacking reliable, unbiased sources is pretty empty, though.
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    - ctrlp 2y ago
      I honestly believe the only way to get at "unbiased" sources is to triangulate all the bias. Mainstream publications are largely staffed by paid propagandists. To get at my opinion, you would need to hold all the propaganda in your mind at once, consider "qui bono?", and then find the point of common sense that all these positions are talking around. I would also avoid contemporary professional opinionators except as points of reference. Literally nothing said in such a context by such a person should be taken at face value. Go back to books on history or reflections/memoirs by people who were in the room when decisions were made to get a sense of how political reality operates. Long story short: there are no unbiased mainstream media opinions. If they were unbiased, they wouldn't appear in those publications.
      - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
        When I said, > If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome I meant your personal views on the topic (how Europeans view America lately), rather than your personal views on media bias. Not that you can't share those, too, but it doesn't add to the discussion about how Europeans view America lately, and to be honest, the talking points I saw were pretty tired. > I honestly believe the only way to get at "unbiased" sources is to triangulate all the bias If you indeed believe that, and you have any sources with a reliability and bias level equal to FT (whatever you feel that may be) which you think are necessary to "triangulate all the bias" on this topic, please go ahead and share them.
0xbs0d 2y ago
/r/Europe on reddit for, at least, some partial info.
Mossy9 2y ago
I wrote about it yesterday: https://rewiring.bearblog.dev/usa-big-tech-grip-on-europe/ https://rewiring.bearblog.dev/usa-big-tech-grip-on-europe/ It seems clear to me now, that the dependency on US tech needs to be reduced _a lot_, and I sincerely hope this current political storm will bring renewed interest in protocols and European tech
silvestrov 2y ago
Look at https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/top/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/top/ with timeline=last_month. It has many links to articles with an European viewpoint. But you have to read between the lines as EU media does not like to write "this is too crazy to be happening, what are they thinking?". E.g. a title like "Macron calls emergency European summit on Trump". How bad do you think it has to create a EU summit solely for handling the new US relationship? tldr: large increase in EU military and which has to be EU made. US is seen as ending "rule of law" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law) and has become an unreliable partner, great loss of soft power and prestige.

Check out Andreas Klinger on Twitter, and people he's retweeting and talking about. That should give you a good overview.

jebarker 2y ago
> on Twitter It's like rain on your wedding day
- dukeyukey 2y ago
  X.com is just godawful branding. I'm doing it a favour by even mentioning it.

julianpye 2y ago

The FT Editorial Board: "America has turned" - https://www.ft.com/content/1511aa42-a9ad-4952-99c8-98bea07d0414 https://www.ft.com/content/1511aa42-a9ad-4952-99c8-98bea07d0... Max Hastings: The trauma of Trump: can we still do business with his America? - https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/the-trauma-of-trump-can-we-still-do-business-with-his-america-xkkwjm2tk https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/the-trau... FT: US tech will pay a price for Donald Trump’s approval - https://www.ft.com/content/2347e5d3-cbc2-4128-a108-bb89558e34a8 https://www.ft.com/content/2347e5d3-cbc2-4128-a108-bb89558e3... FT: How Washington plans to defend the dollar - this is about Crypto - https://www.ft.com/content/bfafb8f7-bd1c-48bb-85f4-8ba25475c0a3 https://www.ft.com/content/bfafb8f7-bd1c-48bb-85f4-8ba25475c... FT: Donald Trump considers tarriffs to counter Big Tech service taxes: - https://www.ft.com/content/558b5a20-c25e-483d-8fdc-bbfd2923afd1 https://www.ft.com/content/558b5a20-c25e-483d-8fdc-bbfd2923a... This is just the tip of the iceberg.

ctrlp 2y ago
I suggest you expand your information sources to include contrary perspectives. These read like the typical hysteriaporn to freak normies out. It would be equivalent to my sharing supporting links from the NYTimes or WaPo.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  In my experience, the Financial Times aren't terribly biased one way or the other, and do a good job of presenting the relevant facts and views. If you have similarly significant, unbiased sources presenting some contrary view, it would behoove you to share them, rather than chiding. If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome. The tone-policing and attacking reliable, unbiased sources is pretty empty, though.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - ctrlp 2y ago
    I honestly believe the only way to get at "unbiased" sources is to triangulate all the bias. Mainstream publications are largely staffed by paid propagandists. To get at my opinion, you would need to hold all the propaganda in your mind at once, consider "qui bono?", and then find the point of common sense that all these positions are talking around. I would also avoid contemporary professional opinionators except as points of reference. Literally nothing said in such a context by such a person should be taken at face value. Go back to books on history or reflections/memoirs by people who were in the room when decisions were made to get a sense of how political reality operates. Long story short: there are no unbiased mainstream media opinions. If they were unbiased, they wouldn't appear in those publications.
    - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
      When I said, > If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome I meant your personal views on the topic (how Europeans view America lately), rather than your personal views on media bias. Not that you can't share those, too, but it doesn't add to the discussion about how Europeans view America lately, and to be honest, the talking points I saw were pretty tired. > I honestly believe the only way to get at "unbiased" sources is to triangulate all the bias If you indeed believe that, and you have any sources with a reliability and bias level equal to FT (whatever you feel that may be) which you think are necessary to "triangulate all the bias" on this topic, please go ahead and share them.

0xbs0d 2y ago

/r/Europe on reddit for, at least, some partial info.

Mossy9 2y ago

I wrote about it yesterday: https://rewiring.bearblog.dev/usa-big-tech-grip-on-europe/ https://rewiring.bearblog.dev/usa-big-tech-grip-on-europe/ It seems clear to me now, that the dependency on US tech needs to be reduced _a lot_, and I sincerely hope this current political storm will bring renewed interest in protocols and European tech

silvestrov 2y ago

Look at https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/top/ https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/top/ with timeline=last_month. It has many links to articles with an European viewpoint. But you have to read between the lines as EU media does not like to write "this is too crazy to be happening, what are they thinking?". E.g. a title like "Macron calls emergency European summit on Trump". How bad do you think it has to create a EU summit solely for handling the new US relationship? tldr: large increase in EU military and which has to be EU made. US is seen as ending "rule of law" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law) and has become an unreliable partner, great loss of soft power and prestige.