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You should be afraid of one thing. The sane-looking replacement of Trump. When the fascists conclude the take-over is complete, they will prop up someone with

You should be afraid of one thing. The sane-looking replacement of Trump. When the fascists conclude the take-over is complete, they will prop up someone with a more acceptable appearance, and the public will be relieved. The media will keep a narrow focus on just the drama of actualities. But still, a tyranny installed, democracy gone. And people will accept it as the new normal. Everyone will keep normalizing everything, the rituals of democracy as a smokescreen for the powerful. Fake symbols. Fake titles. For the eyes that want to be blinded.

desumeku 2y ago
You act like our institutions haven't already been ineffectual smokescreens for power to work behind the scenes. Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. People are just shocked to find out that an elected representative actually has the power to do things other than sitting there like a puppet.
- exceptione 2y ago
  This is the work of decades long degradation, of pushing narratives, of selecting people into positions. Yes it has been a slippery slope. And now an avalanche, like planned. The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. They are the few. You are the numerous. So you should excuse them for what they do. You just did.
  - desumeku 2y ago
    I can easily just turn around and say something like: "The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say > Trump's presidency is the beginning of a fascist coup to destroy Democracy" At this point, this is not a struggle over reality-consensus, it is just a battle of who's propaganda is more convincing.
    - exceptione 2y ago
      My friend, the world is not binary. It is not Dems vs Reps. It is not a matter of perfect democracy, and fascist tyranny, with nothing in between. The goal is the latter though. The super wealthy and powerful head to an era where they decide what happens, they do not want the rules and the law apply to them. ---------------------------- Angry about a transgender you have never seen? Good, very good. They want your power. It is you or them.
      - desumeku 2y ago
        It is kind of funny that you accuse me of adhering to a democratic-republican binary when it comes to my world view before immediately also accusing me of only holding the beliefs that I do because of trans people. I wonder which political binary you adhere to?
        exceptione 2y ago
        It is not about you, it is me trying to help you observe what happens. It is about people just like you. Society. The outrage over transgenders are psychological tricks to split a populace. Let people make it their identity. Normalize bullying, normalize bullshit, normalize "might makes right". They need it, because they are few and you are numerous. You must excuse them. You should be fighting your peer. Or at least believe both sides are not clean, so you should excuse their power grab. That is the binary belief trap I spotted. "Haha, see the tears of those hypocrites, lol". Well, your house is burning.
        desumeku 2y ago
        I'm sorry, but you're kind of delusional and it's going to be hard to continue this conversation if you genuinely believe that transgender ideology outrage is a ploy by the rich and elite to divide and conquer the working class, and not that the entrenched democratic liberal elites tried to force a country composed mostly of rural hicks into accepting men playing in women's sports and it backfired horribly.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  > Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. Gerrymandering and voter suppression are not very democratic.
enderwiggins2 2y ago
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- exceptione 2y ago
  That is the lucky case, when people will want to recognize it. Steve Bannon did the Hitler salute after shouting "fight fight fight" on CPAC. That is the alliance of conservatives. People keep making excuses. But have mercy upon them, as they do not know what they do. "Social media" are a hellish combination of drug and a pathway for psyops. Americans now rather own the neighbor they have seen on "social media" than saving their own house. There is a small frame of time left. When enough people in the media are willing to kill off their career, they can overthrow corporate owners and tell the people that the spades are indeed the spades. But it will be suicide, at least for their career. (Even the army is purged now, not a discussion topic on HN so I guess many don't even know.) Europe needs to cut themselves off from the oligarch networks, as the pandemic might spread there too.

desumeku 2y ago

You act like our institutions haven't already been ineffectual smokescreens for power to work behind the scenes. Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. People are just shocked to find out that an elected representative actually has the power to do things other than sitting there like a puppet.

exceptione 2y ago
This is the work of decades long degradation, of pushing narratives, of selecting people into positions. Yes it has been a slippery slope. And now an avalanche, like planned. The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. They are the few. You are the numerous. So you should excuse them for what they do. You just did.
- desumeku 2y ago
  I can easily just turn around and say something like: "The work is you. You should be fed with so many distractions, so many logical fallacies, such that in the end you will say > Trump's presidency is the beginning of a fascist coup to destroy Democracy" At this point, this is not a struggle over reality-consensus, it is just a battle of who's propaganda is more convincing.
  - exceptione 2y ago
    My friend, the world is not binary. It is not Dems vs Reps. It is not a matter of perfect democracy, and fascist tyranny, with nothing in between. The goal is the latter though. The super wealthy and powerful head to an era where they decide what happens, they do not want the rules and the law apply to them. ---------------------------- Angry about a transgender you have never seen? Good, very good. They want your power. It is you or them.
    - desumeku 2y ago
      It is kind of funny that you accuse me of adhering to a democratic-republican binary when it comes to my world view before immediately also accusing me of only holding the beliefs that I do because of trans people. I wonder which political binary you adhere to?
      - exceptione 2y ago
        It is not about you, it is me trying to help you observe what happens. It is about people just like you. Society. The outrage over transgenders are psychological tricks to split a populace. Let people make it their identity. Normalize bullying, normalize bullshit, normalize "might makes right". They need it, because they are few and you are numerous. You must excuse them. You should be fighting your peer. Or at least believe both sides are not clean, so you should excuse their power grab. That is the binary belief trap I spotted. "Haha, see the tears of those hypocrites, lol". Well, your house is burning.
        desumeku 2y ago
        I'm sorry, but you're kind of delusional and it's going to be hard to continue this conversation if you genuinely believe that transgender ideology outrage is a ploy by the rich and elite to divide and conquer the working class, and not that the entrenched democratic liberal elites tried to force a country composed mostly of rural hicks into accepting men playing in women's sports and it backfired horribly.
yencabulator 2y ago
> Trump's election is the most democratic thing to happen in decades. Gerrymandering and voter suppression are not very democratic.

enderwiggins2 2y ago

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exceptione 2y ago
That is the lucky case, when people will want to recognize it. Steve Bannon did the Hitler salute after shouting "fight fight fight" on CPAC. That is the alliance of conservatives. People keep making excuses. But have mercy upon them, as they do not know what they do. "Social media" are a hellish combination of drug and a pathway for psyops. Americans now rather own the neighbor they have seen on "social media" than saving their own house. There is a small frame of time left. When enough people in the media are willing to kill off their career, they can overthrow corporate owners and tell the people that the spades are indeed the spades. But it will be suicide, at least for their career. (Even the army is purged now, not a discussion topic on HN so I guess many don't even know.) Europe needs to cut themselves off from the oligarch networks, as the pandemic might spread there too.