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Normal VODs already automatically "expire" (i.e., are automatically deleted) after a certain time. IIRC the time limit is between 7 and 60 days depending on you

by moefh 2y ago

Normal VODs already automatically "expire" (i.e., are automatically deleted) after a certain time. IIRC the time limit is between 7 and 60 days depending on your account type (e.g. whether you're a Twitch partner, whether you have Twitch Prime, etc.). Making a VOD a highlight was a way around that -- Twitch would never delete those.

washadjeffmad 2y ago
>Making a VOD a highlight was a way around that -- Twitch would never delete those. I'm not disagreeing that it was common knowledge that this was a way for non-partners to circumvent the regular retention policies, which is why this 100-hour limit seems like a pretty generous compromise. Clicking through random channels just now, I didn't see a single account with any Uploads, and most of the channels who had any content in Highlights seemed to use it pretty sparingly (<100 hours). It doesn't seem like a common practice, and Twitch doesn't seem like it's trying to eradicate history, just reign in some behavior that the platform didn't intend to support. If you're aware of certain communities who've made a practice of highlighting their entire streams (beyond 100 hours) without being partnered, maybe you could promote them here so people could help archive them?
- mistercheph 2y ago
  Jeff?
- moefh 2y ago
  I remember when Twitch implemented the VOD expiration with the "highlight" system; the discourse at the time was that some people enabled VOD retention and then forgot about it, uselessly clogging the servers. So if you really cared about retaining VODs, you just had to highlight them. I think they just counted on no one caring enough, since highlighting every single VOD is a pain. It turns out that most people who cared enough about retaining VODs just upload them to Youtube. Youtube is simply a better viewing experience for non-live videos, and it can generate some revenue (though usually very small, unless you have a huge amount of views). One problem with Youtube is that it's more strict about (what it thinks is) copyright content -- for example, some otherwise "free"[1] videogame music is regularly claimed by on Youtube by someone who sampled the original song, so it registers as someone else's content to Youtube's content ID. [1] By "free" I mean that original videogame music is not usually actively protected (even though it's under copyright), because publishers love when people promote their games.
madshougesen 2y ago
Are you sure about the time limit? This VOD is over 2 years old [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073)
- moefh 2y ago
  Well, the settings page on Twitch has this help text on the "store past broadcasts" toggle: Automatically save broadcasts for up to 7 days (14 days for Affiliates, 60 days for Partners, Turbo and Prime users) Maybe the video you're seeing is a highlight? Either way, I can't see it because I don't subscribe to Khaldor (I used to love watching his Starcraft 2 casts back in the day, though).

by moefh 2y ago

washadjeffmad 2y ago

>Making a VOD a highlight was a way around that -- Twitch would never delete those. I'm not disagreeing that it was common knowledge that this was a way for non-partners to circumvent the regular retention policies, which is why this 100-hour limit seems like a pretty generous compromise. Clicking through random channels just now, I didn't see a single account with any Uploads, and most of the channels who had any content in Highlights seemed to use it pretty sparingly (<100 hours). It doesn't seem like a common practice, and Twitch doesn't seem like it's trying to eradicate history, just reign in some behavior that the platform didn't intend to support. If you're aware of certain communities who've made a practice of highlighting their entire streams (beyond 100 hours) without being partnered, maybe you could promote them here so people could help archive them?

mistercheph 2y ago
Jeff?
moefh 2y ago
I remember when Twitch implemented the VOD expiration with the "highlight" system; the discourse at the time was that some people enabled VOD retention and then forgot about it, uselessly clogging the servers. So if you really cared about retaining VODs, you just had to highlight them. I think they just counted on no one caring enough, since highlighting every single VOD is a pain. It turns out that most people who cared enough about retaining VODs just upload them to Youtube. Youtube is simply a better viewing experience for non-live videos, and it can generate some revenue (though usually very small, unless you have a huge amount of views). One problem with Youtube is that it's more strict about (what it thinks is) copyright content -- for example, some otherwise "free"[1] videogame music is regularly claimed by on Youtube by someone who sampled the original song, so it registers as someone else's content to Youtube's content ID. [1] By "free" I mean that original videogame music is not usually actively protected (even though it's under copyright), because publishers love when people promote their games.

madshougesen 2y ago

Are you sure about the time limit? This VOD is over 2 years old [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891768073)

moefh 2y ago
Well, the settings page on Twitch has this help text on the "store past broadcasts" toggle: Automatically save broadcasts for up to 7 days (14 days for Affiliates, 60 days for Partners, Turbo and Prime users) Maybe the video you're seeing is a highlight? Either way, I can't see it because I don't subscribe to Khaldor (I used to love watching his Starcraft 2 casts back in the day, though).