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> but that seems to benefit only a very small amount of industries. Entirely logical response from a normal person used to think and act in a normal, decent wa

> but that seems to benefit only a very small amount of industries. Entirely logical response from a normal person used to think and act in a normal, decent way. Criminals break into a museum. There is an artwork there, 4000(!) years old. The thieves wreck the artwork and smelt the gold that is inside it for a €225 profit. There is a phenomenon of "The Cult of Wealth". Most people here cannot imagine how people with unlimited wealth, unlimited options, almost unlimited power think like. Have you seen the kids of the president ridicule the dying people in Ukraine? We are inclined to think that if you inherit almost the whole earth, you would be very grateful, kind and compassionate. Instead, they see the world in terms of just a handful of peers with the rest as resources to be extracted. We live in a world where we are brainwashed to think it is normal for corporate to call human beings "Human Resources". --------------------------- As soon as people learn to see what hides behind Trump and Doge, the networks that finance and selects people, they will lose the war. The theater is there to distract you, media will pick it up as bait but will not do the investigation of what it is. And so we are paralyzed by the news of the day. What society needs to do is to not accept abnormal and egregious behavior as normal. We all know what is decent human interaction, and the few can only take power over the mass, if the people consent to it -- be it actively or passively.

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from-nibly 2y ago
> We are inclined to think that if you inherit almost the whole earth, you would be very grateful, kind and compassionate. Why would you be inclined to think that? Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Being greatful is not manufactured by having stuff. Being kind has nothing to do wtih what you have. I'm inclined to think that if someone inherit the whole earth you are 1. A person who sought after that, which is bad 2. Even if you were magically a good person before, will be ruined by it at a minimum the way winning the lottery ruins a person. 3. Even if you survive 1-2 you will become famous and will have to cope with that insanity.
- XorNot 2y ago
  > Why would you be inclined to think that? See the number of people arguing that a billionaire can obviously be trusted with their money because he has a lot of it and clearly wouldn't want more.
- exceptione 2y ago
  Sure, we might know it, but we never act on it. We allow super concentrations of super wealth and power to form. We allow corporate media. We allow corporate clients into politics. We allow fake news. We allow lies. We allow the dismantling of science. We allow the purge of competent people. Competence is a soft power, but the power hungry do not like to share. We know it. We don't believe it. We cannot grasp. For those few, we are nothing but a resource. Why share power with the powerless? Might makes right!
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- johnny22 2y ago
  > Why would you be inclined to think that? See the number of people who say they voted for trump because they think he's a successful business man.
analog31 2y ago
If "the cult of wealth" is a thing, and wealthy people really think different than the rest of us, then a consequence is that the ultra wealthy absolutely shouldn't be allowed to make the rules for the rest of us, or manage public institutions.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago
  > If "the cult of wealth" is a thing, and wealthy people really think different than the rest of us, then a consequence is that the ultra wealthy absolutely shouldn't be allowed to make the rules for the rest of us, or manage public institutions. That's why democracy was invented. :-)
  - analog31 2y ago
    You read my mind.
    - xeonmc 2y ago
      And the tools to create democracy.
DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
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- XorNot 2y ago
  The President of Ukraine's children did not mock any dying Ukrainians. The President of the United States' did.
  - DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
    Mind sharing or telling what to google for? The search results are swamped with "Jr. mocking Zelensky" and "Trump making fun of the guy who died at his rally."
- exceptione 2y ago
  That was some very purposeful misreading to be able to blackpaint Ukraine, while shifting focus away from the topic. > instead forcing millions into the meat grinder against their will, How is the weather in St. Petersburg? This is a text book example of projection. As instructed, you should continue with false balance and whatabboutisms. --- Oh wait. I hope you are getting paid for this kind of stuff instead of being someone that died in a ton of psychological mindfucks. If the latter, you do their work.
  - DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
    > That was some very purposeful misreading Sure, but I made sure to be VERY obvious about it, both for the first point and my last point. I find people in general to be quite smart, I doubt anyone was genuinely convinced I didn't know you were referring to the US President's children. > while shifting focus away from the topic. I hope not. There's even quite an important point that gets lost when reading it out of context: > blackpaint Ukraine Absolutely not. Whom I'm greatly displeased by are the previous US administration, the European leaders and Zelensky. Trump just going in and immediately making significant progress during the negotiations proves, that any of them could have stopped this slaughter whenever they wanted. There was always the question whether Russia's constant pleas for negotiations both prior and during the war were nothing but macabre PR. And yet the moment a genuine chance presented itself, they agreed to it immediately. Compared to our countries' leaders our own insight into politics is nothing but a joke. And even if they're unsure, they can just pick up the phone and just try. Yet none of them did. These demons happily sacrificed the lifes of millions of people on the altar of their virtue. Ukraine could have had so much. They were offered back all of theit eastern territories and even negotiations regarding the future of Crimea (although those would have been likely derailed) in exchange for keeping neutrality, downsizing their armed forces to 250k people and not allowing any permanent foreign military bases. Russia tried to sneak in veto rights on foreign military exercises on Ukrainian territory, but I doubt there was no way to negotiate that down. Now, years later, all of that is gone. The country is destroyed, everywhere just death, death and more death and Russia short-circuited and pulled the probably worst geopolitical decision of the 21st century by annexing Ukraine's eastern territories. And all of these leaders knew very well how this war would progress. It is happening right next to the Russian heartland, where 80% of its population lives. They knew that Russia cannot back down without negotiating an orderly procedure first, even if they suddenly gave up on all their goals and wanted to. And yet here we are, accusing the one guy who actually tries to put an end to this senseless killing, of only seeing the world in terms of a handful of peers and lacking any compassion. . I'm only aware of Trump Jr. mocking Zelensky, not anyone else, but I've already asked below if I'm mistaken about that. But it doesn't matter. The President's children do not reflect upon the President. And actions speak louder than words. What matters is saving people's lifes. These are a lot of words for the same concept I've pushed above much more strongly, IMO. > How is the weather in St. Petersburg? 7m of snow, no end in sight and a polar bear drank my vodka supply.
infinet 2y ago
> We are inclined to think that if you inherit almost the whole earth, you would be very grateful, kind and compassionate That, perhaps, is the reason they are so cruel: because they have been so lucky so far, they do not understand human suffering and are incapable of feeling the pain of fellow humans.

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from-nibly 2y ago

> We are inclined to think that if you inherit almost the whole earth, you would be very grateful, kind and compassionate. Why would you be inclined to think that? Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Being greatful is not manufactured by having stuff. Being kind has nothing to do wtih what you have. I'm inclined to think that if someone inherit the whole earth you are 1. A person who sought after that, which is bad 2. Even if you were magically a good person before, will be ruined by it at a minimum the way winning the lottery ruins a person. 3. Even if you survive 1-2 you will become famous and will have to cope with that insanity.

XorNot 2y ago
> Why would you be inclined to think that? See the number of people arguing that a billionaire can obviously be trusted with their money because he has a lot of it and clearly wouldn't want more.
exceptione 2y ago
Sure, we might know it, but we never act on it. We allow super concentrations of super wealth and power to form. We allow corporate media. We allow corporate clients into politics. We allow fake news. We allow lies. We allow the dismantling of science. We allow the purge of competent people. Competence is a soft power, but the power hungry do not like to share. We know it. We don't believe it. We cannot grasp. For those few, we are nothing but a resource. Why share power with the powerless? Might makes right!
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johnny22 2y ago
> Why would you be inclined to think that? See the number of people who say they voted for trump because they think he's a successful business man.

analog31 2y ago

If "the cult of wealth" is a thing, and wealthy people really think different than the rest of us, then a consequence is that the ultra wealthy absolutely shouldn't be allowed to make the rules for the rest of us, or manage public institutions.

aleph_minus_one 2y ago
> If "the cult of wealth" is a thing, and wealthy people really think different than the rest of us, then a consequence is that the ultra wealthy absolutely shouldn't be allowed to make the rules for the rest of us, or manage public institutions. That's why democracy was invented. :-)
- analog31 2y ago
  You read my mind.
  - xeonmc 2y ago
    And the tools to create democracy.

DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago

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XorNot 2y ago
The President of Ukraine's children did not mock any dying Ukrainians. The President of the United States' did.
- DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
  Mind sharing or telling what to google for? The search results are swamped with "Jr. mocking Zelensky" and "Trump making fun of the guy who died at his rally."
exceptione 2y ago
That was some very purposeful misreading to be able to blackpaint Ukraine, while shifting focus away from the topic. > instead forcing millions into the meat grinder against their will, How is the weather in St. Petersburg? This is a text book example of projection. As instructed, you should continue with false balance and whatabboutisms. --- Oh wait. I hope you are getting paid for this kind of stuff instead of being someone that died in a ton of psychological mindfucks. If the latter, you do their work.
- DeepSeaTortoise 2y ago
  > That was some very purposeful misreading Sure, but I made sure to be VERY obvious about it, both for the first point and my last point. I find people in general to be quite smart, I doubt anyone was genuinely convinced I didn't know you were referring to the US President's children. > while shifting focus away from the topic. I hope not. There's even quite an important point that gets lost when reading it out of context: > blackpaint Ukraine Absolutely not. Whom I'm greatly displeased by are the previous US administration, the European leaders and Zelensky. Trump just going in and immediately making significant progress during the negotiations proves, that any of them could have stopped this slaughter whenever they wanted. There was always the question whether Russia's constant pleas for negotiations both prior and during the war were nothing but macabre PR. And yet the moment a genuine chance presented itself, they agreed to it immediately. Compared to our countries' leaders our own insight into politics is nothing but a joke. And even if they're unsure, they can just pick up the phone and just try. Yet none of them did. These demons happily sacrificed the lifes of millions of people on the altar of their virtue. Ukraine could have had so much. They were offered back all of theit eastern territories and even negotiations regarding the future of Crimea (although those would have been likely derailed) in exchange for keeping neutrality, downsizing their armed forces to 250k people and not allowing any permanent foreign military bases. Russia tried to sneak in veto rights on foreign military exercises on Ukrainian territory, but I doubt there was no way to negotiate that down. Now, years later, all of that is gone. The country is destroyed, everywhere just death, death and more death and Russia short-circuited and pulled the probably worst geopolitical decision of the 21st century by annexing Ukraine's eastern territories. And all of these leaders knew very well how this war would progress. It is happening right next to the Russian heartland, where 80% of its population lives. They knew that Russia cannot back down without negotiating an orderly procedure first, even if they suddenly gave up on all their goals and wanted to. And yet here we are, accusing the one guy who actually tries to put an end to this senseless killing, of only seeing the world in terms of a handful of peers and lacking any compassion. . I'm only aware of Trump Jr. mocking Zelensky, not anyone else, but I've already asked below if I'm mistaken about that. But it doesn't matter. The President's children do not reflect upon the President. And actions speak louder than words. What matters is saving people's lifes. These are a lot of words for the same concept I've pushed above much more strongly, IMO. > How is the weather in St. Petersburg? 7m of snow, no end in sight and a polar bear drank my vodka supply.

infinet 2y ago

> We are inclined to think that if you inherit almost the whole earth, you would be very grateful, kind and compassionate That, perhaps, is the reason they are so cruel: because they have been so lucky so far, they do not understand human suffering and are incapable of feeling the pain of fellow humans.