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I don't think the problem people have is "Richard Feynman didn't produce content" It's "the content that people interacted with that they formed an opinion on

I don't think the problem people have is "Richard Feynman didn't produce content" It's "the content that people interacted with that they formed an opinion on "Richard Feynman" from was actually editorialized and published by other people" They're not trying to take credit from Feynman, theyre trying to divorce the character of "Feynman" as written by these authors from the real historical person

pdonis 2y ago
To the extent that the character of "Feynman" as he appears in books like Surely You're Joking is different from the real historical person, I think the difference is due to Feynman himself--the way he told the stories orally to people like Leighton. I don't think it's due in any significant measure to people like Leighton "editoralizing" when they wrote up the stories for publication. So again, I think "never wrote a book" is misleading if it gives the impression that the portrayal of Feynman in such books was not Feynman's own portrayal of himself. It was.
- Xelynega 2y ago
  That's true, i guess I'm trying to say "the portrayal of Feynman versus the reality of him" which "he didn't write any books" doesn't represent well. With some more thought, the fact that he wasn't the direct author of any books is interesting but not really that significant to his character, so i can't see much reason to point it out other than to discredit his achievements. Though if the achievement being discredited is the number of books he's seemingly written then it makes sense to a degree.
  - pdonis 2y ago
    > if the achievement being discredited is the number of books he's seemingly written then it makes sense to a degree. Only if you take "written" literally, as in, he didn't do the actual writing, he just told the stories orally and someone else wrote them down. I personally don't care much about that; the stories are his (including, as I've said, whatever misrepresentations of what actually happened they contain). Lots of people have books ghostwritten, and that's not considered unusual. More than that, there are famous examples of books for which someone got the credit for the writing when they actually did little or none of it: John F. Kennedy being credited as the author of Profiles in Courage, for example. Even the content of Profiles in Courage was probably less Kennedy's than the content of the books Feynman gets credited for was Feynman's.

pdonis 2y ago

To the extent that the character of "Feynman" as he appears in books like Surely You're Joking is different from the real historical person, I think the difference is due to Feynman himself--the way he told the stories orally to people like Leighton. I don't think it's due in any significant measure to people like Leighton "editoralizing" when they wrote up the stories for publication. So again, I think "never wrote a book" is misleading if it gives the impression that the portrayal of Feynman in such books was not Feynman's own portrayal of himself. It was.

Xelynega 2y ago
That's true, i guess I'm trying to say "the portrayal of Feynman versus the reality of him" which "he didn't write any books" doesn't represent well. With some more thought, the fact that he wasn't the direct author of any books is interesting but not really that significant to his character, so i can't see much reason to point it out other than to discredit his achievements. Though if the achievement being discredited is the number of books he's seemingly written then it makes sense to a degree.
- pdonis 2y ago
  > if the achievement being discredited is the number of books he's seemingly written then it makes sense to a degree. Only if you take "written" literally, as in, he didn't do the actual writing, he just told the stories orally and someone else wrote them down. I personally don't care much about that; the stories are his (including, as I've said, whatever misrepresentations of what actually happened they contain). Lots of people have books ghostwritten, and that's not considered unusual. More than that, there are famous examples of books for which someone got the credit for the writing when they actually did little or none of it: John F. Kennedy being credited as the author of Profiles in Courage, for example. Even the content of Profiles in Courage was probably less Kennedy's than the content of the books Feynman gets credited for was Feynman's.